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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 16:00

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u teoriji....dok u stvarnosti nije moguce sjediti na dvije stolice,kamoli deset njih....tek zamisljati kako je to.... jer u konacnici, stav valja zauzeti, i jednu stolicu zaokupirati :D....:)
naravski da je moguće. ne da je moguće nego stvarnst retko dopušćo drukčije.


a u stvari prva asocijacij ami jebila štokholmski sindrom
ali, je ti stvarno mmisliš da čovik ne more njegovati dvo suprotna stava, i ispoljavti jednoga, pa drugoga, kako ka oće?

Može, samo, ako nije riječ o običnoj manje ili više nedužnoj, ali i nekonzistentnoj nedosljednosti (sjetimo se da nas logika uči upravo dosljednosti u zaključivanju) onda se svodi na ovo ili nešto slično:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_dependency_syndrome

Za one kojima se ne da otvarati link, riječ je o fenomenu kojega je dobro opisao Woody Allen u svojem filmu Zelig.
ne zun po kin kriterijima bi se odrđivalo ča je dužno a ča nedužno, 
vjerojatno je riječ o sposobnosti nositelja koliko će toga uspiti pomiriti.

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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 16:01

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u teoriji....dok u stvarnosti nije moguce sjediti na dvije stolice,kamoli deset njih....tek zamisljati kako je to.... jer u konacnici, stav valja zauzeti, i jednu stolicu zaokupirati :D....:)
naravski da je moguće. ne da je moguće nego stvarnst retko dopušćo drukčije.


a u stvari prva asocijacij ami jebila štokholmski sindrom
ali, je ti stvarno mmisliš da čovik ne more njegovati dvo suprotna stava, i ispoljavti jednoga, pa drugoga, kako ka oće?



ne pratiš me....


moguće kako ne, s posljedicama....
a ča, preformuliroj

e, pa sve imo posljedice.

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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 16:03

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aben je tu vještinu sasvimdobro razradio....i baš s e,onako besramno :D, njom erazmeće....


naravski, zoč se ne bi razmećo; sofizam uopće ni negativna, nemoralna stvor.

ma kakvi, samo spesl dozivljaj svijeta....
predrasue su dobra i korisna stvor,
arogancija je value free stvor,
sofizam je na lošen glosu zbog protosocijalistov,
licemjerstvo nije negtivna odlika.


razumin da ovo nisu popularne tvrdnje, ali, srbske cajke su popularne.



....ili! jednostavno.... izbaci iz sebe....i bježi....od sebe, stvarnosti.... lakše je....
ali.... tko sam ja? što je to stvarnost?.... again?.......again...


cajke ne služam pa ne znam
ne razumin, zoč bižiš od sebe i stvarnosti?

pa ne tribaš slušati srbske cajke da bi znala kako su popularne

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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 22:25

pogljedo sun na internetima, 
ljudi uglovnomu kužu da hipokrizija ni loša stvor.

Imagine you have a co-worker who is something of an environmental activist. He hounds people to turn off their office lights when they step out for lunch and gets on their case if they throw recyclables in the trash. He protests when people print documents single-sided instead of double-sided. While he is overbearing at times, you agree with everything he advocates. Now imagine you discover that your co-worker, when at home, regularly fails to do any of these things. He is a hypocrite. You promptly revoke the moral credit you gave him for his activism. In fact, his hypocrisy now makes his activism seem not just not-positive, but negative: How dare he go around telling other people to switch off their lights when he doesn’t do so himself! 


This dislike of hypocrisy is emotionally intuitive, but if you pause to think about it, it constitutes a psychological puzzle. If you believe it’s important to protect the environment, shouldn’t you be glad your co-worker is promoting the right values (even if he himself is wasteful)? Logically speaking, there is nothing dishonest about condemning an action and also engaging in it. 


So why does criticizing something make it seem worse to do it oneself? Our contention is that your objection to your co-worker is perfectly logical, because the principal offense of a hypocrite is not that he violates his own principles, but rather that his use of moral proclamations falsely implies that he himself behaves morally. This idea makes sense if you think about moral condemnation not as a tool for reproaching others but as a way to boost your own reputation. 


In one set of studies, we found support for this view: People tended to take someone’s normative statements — such as “It is morally wrong to waste energy” — as an indication of how the speaker himself acted. In fact, our findings show that people would be more likely to believe that the speaker did not waste energy if he said, “It is wrong to waste energy,” than if he simply said, “I do not waste energy.” Moral condemnation seems to act as a particularly powerful signal of behavior — more powerful than even direct statements about behavior

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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 22:28

ono je studija na ku se naslanjo ov članak, a objašnjava zoč ljudi ne voli hipokrite



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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 22:33

hm, ispado da bez predrasuda ne moremo preživiti ni ru vrimena

https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_bloom_can_prejudice_ever_be_a_good_thing

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Post by aben Sat 5 May - 22:37

uf, arogancija imo i previše poklonika..

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Post by aben Sun 6 May - 0:09



Hi, John, it's Mel from Megalophone
I've been listening to your tape for the 19th time
Oh that's another call - can I call you
Back when I was in a band we used to sound like this
And I loved your songs, they reminded me of myself
You sound like Air Supply meets Gwar
In a good way; Here's my other number
Can you wait for just a sec -
That's another call coming in
I'll get back to you -
Have my girl take your information

Hi, John, it's Guy from Groanophone
Heard some talk about the band and the way you sing
I really think it's great - Can we make a
Deal with me, call me a friend, we'll be a family
You're a talented individual
If you sign here on the dotted line ... that's good
And my nephew will be your producer

Yo, John, it's Bill from Biddybum
Word is travelling around that you've got some tunes
We will not be outbid -
Radio is in the bag, we own the chart
They will not add your song
Without checking with our promotion staff

Hi, John, it's Shep from Shinola
We should really do a lunch
Quite a tape indeed - my secretary flipped
You're a genius

My name is Johnny Virgil
(hammer hammer hammer hammer schmooze schmooze schmooze schmooze)
I play this here guitar
(patronize patronize pass the buck pass the buck)
I play it for myself
(wheedle wheedle wheedle wheedle sell sell sell sell)

Can we speak candidly?

Got hands that move like clockwork
(hammer hammer hammer hammer schmooze schmooze schmooze schmooze)
Voice that carries far
(patronize patronize pass the buck pass the buck)
Got a love for nothing else
(wheedle wheedle wheedle wheedle sell sell sell sell)

Let's be spontaneous!

Hi Jack, it's Al from A&R
You don't really need the band, they are in the way
We only wanted you anyway so
Dump the band, you are the face
You better wise up fast
This is not a game - we're professionals
Did I mention that you won't be out this year?
Cannot be helped - Go take a vacation
One more thing that you should know
We're all counting on you to be
Our new golden boy - Lots of lives and jobs
Hang in the balance here

Virgil, it's Pete your president
Calling to congratulate you on your fine choice
You must be very proud, so are we
I'm sure your music is terrif although I must admit
I don't listen to much of anything
Did I mention that I used to have a band?
I have to run, been great talking to you
Hi, Joe, about publicity
Thought about the photo op with the cripple
No, we need a sharper hook - like a scandal
Maybe you could rape a nun
Or better still a priest
Some androgeny could be interesting

Hi, Jim, it's Val from Video
Who decided on your hair?
Can we cut it off?
We'd like to see a buzz bin rotation

My name is Johnny Virgil
(weasel weasel weasel weasel lie lie lie lie)
I play this here guitar
(pacify pacify jack you off jack you off)
...aahh f*** it....
(shuffle shuffle shuffle shuffle yawn yawn yawn)

Are you a priority?

My name is Johnny Virgil
(weasel weasel weasel weasel lie lie lie lie)
And I'm gonna be a star
(pacify pacify jack you off jack you off)
This is how it's done
(shuffle shuffle shuffle shuffle yawn yawn yawn)

Do you want a hit of this?

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Post by kic Sun 6 May - 0:15


braća sofisti!
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Post by aben Sun 6 May - 0:17

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braća sofisti!

oli i ti prodoješ mudrost?

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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 5:00

posljedica govorenja istine je manjak prijatelja
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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 5:39

aben wrote:ljudi uglovnomu kužu da hipokrizija ni loša stvor.

A ako ljudi kažu onda je garant tako, jel'da? :p
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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 5:41

aben wrote:
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braća sofisti!

oli i ti prodoješ mudrost?

Sofizam nije prodavanje mudrosti, što načelno uopće i nije tako loša stvar, kao što to nije niti prodavanje bilo kakvih nekome potrebnih spefifičnih znanja i vještina na tržištu, nego prodavanje mudrijašenja pod mudrost ilitiga prodavanje muda pod bubrege. :)
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Post by aben Sun 6 May - 7:36

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aben wrote:ljudi uglovnomu kužu da hipokrizija ni loša stvor.

A ako ljudi kažu onda je garant tako, jel'da? :p
kužu, razumu

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Post by aben Sun 6 May - 7:37

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
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braća sofisti!

oli i ti prodoješ mudrost?

Sofizam nije prodavanje mudrosti, što načelno uopće i nije tako loša stvar, kao što to nije niti prodavanje bilo kakvih nekome potrebnih spefifičnih znanja i vještina na tržištu, nego prodavanje mudrijašenja pod mudrost ilitiga prodavanje muda pod bubrege. :)
oh, pa ti imoš puno posla oko definironja ča je sofizam, 
ovo je za sa neizdrživo

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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 7:38

aben wrote:
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aben wrote:ljudi uglovnomu kužu da hipokrizija ni loša stvor.

A ako ljudi kažu onda je garant tako, jel'da? :p
kužu, razumu

Odnosno misle da razumiju. :)
A ako ljudi misle da razumiju onda je garant tako, jel'da? :p
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Post by aben Sun 6 May - 7:39

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
aben wrote:
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aben wrote:ljudi uglovnomu kužu da hipokrizija ni loša stvor.

A ako ljudi kažu onda je garant tako, jel'da? :p
kužu, razumu

Odnosno misle da razumiju. :)
A ako ljudi misle da razumiju onda je garant tako, jel'da? :p
svi razumu misleći, nezamislivo je drukčije,

i dobro mislu, ki tako mislu.

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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 7:43

aben wrote:
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braća sofisti!

oli i ti prodoješ mudrost?

Sofizam nije prodavanje mudrosti, što načelno uopće i nije tako loša stvar, kao što to nije niti prodavanje bilo kakvih nekome potrebnih spefifičnih znanja i vještina na tržištu, nego prodavanje mudrijašenja pod mudrost ilitiga prodavanje muda pod bubrege. :)
oh, pa ti imoš puno posla oko definironja ča je sofizam, 
ovo je za sa neizdrživo

Puno posla? Taman posla? :p
Ja sam ga već definirao ranije na temi.
Riječ je o mudrijašenju koje se pretvara da je filozofija iz nekih svojih unutarnjih motiva (uglavnom onih koji se svode na umijeće podebljavanja vlastitih bankovnih računa :p ali ima i sofista koji su čisti amateri :) u koje ne računam tebe, jer ti nisi sofist nego se takvim samo praviš na forumu iz nekih svojih internih razloga :) ) a da pri tome nije u stanju udovoljiti niti temeljnim kriterijima koji filozofiju čine filozofijom (činjenice i logika) nego se u svojim prevarama i falsifikatima oslanja uglavnom na retoričku vještinu kojom dodatno zbunjuje one već do sad zbunjene. :)
One koji to već nisu ionako ne može zbuniti. :) Ili bar ne u većoj mjeri.
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Post by aben Sun 6 May - 7:54

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
aben wrote:
slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
aben wrote:
kic wrote:

braća sofisti!

oli i ti prodoješ mudrost?

Sofizam nije prodavanje mudrosti, što načelno uopće i nije tako loša stvar, kao što to nije niti prodavanje bilo kakvih nekome potrebnih spefifičnih znanja i vještina na tržištu, nego prodavanje mudrijašenja pod mudrost ilitiga prodavanje muda pod bubrege. :)
oh, pa ti imoš puno posla oko definironja ča je sofizam, 
ovo je za sa neizdrživo

Puno posla? Taman posla? :p
Ja sam ga već definirao ranije na temi.
Riječ je o mudrijašenju koje se pretvara da je filozofija iz nekih svojih unutarnjih motiva (uglavnom onih koji se svode na umijeće podebljavanja vlastitih bankovnih računa :p ali ima i sofista koji su čisti amateri :) u koje ne računam tebe, jer ti nisi sofist nego se takvim samo praviš na forumu iz nekih svojih internih razloga :) ) a da pri tome nije u stanju udovoljiti niti temeljnim kriterijima koji filozofiju čine filozofijom (činjenice i logika) nego se u svojim prevarama i falsifikatima oslanja uglavnom na retoričku vještinu kojom dodatno zbunjuje one već do sad zbunjene. :)
One koji to već nisu ionako ne može zbuniti. :) Ili bar ne u većoj mjeri.
jesi, ali oprečno,
zoto se triboš javno ogroditi od nekih svojih upisa, a da bi stvor postala čista filozofija, da bi bila uskladjena s logikom, da definicija sofizma ne bbude sofizam

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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 8:59

Prvo moraš mudrijašiti da bi poslije filozofirao :)
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Post by Guest Sun 6 May - 9:03

mativka wrote:Prvo moraš mudrijašiti da bi poslije filozofirao :)

Problem je u tome što mudrijašenje intelektualno i moralno ulijeni čovjeka pa su mu onda manje šanse doći do razine ozbiljne filozofije.
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