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Post by T. 25/9/2023, 22:28

Ukraine bombshell: Millions of EU citizens are praying Putin will win

By Jonathan Saxty
16:50, Thu, Sep 21, 2023   | UPDATED: 18:28, Thu, Sep 21, 2023
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Ursula von der Leyen: Eastern EU increasingly pro-Russia (Image: Getty)

Whisper it quietly but Eastern European attitudes towards the war in Ukraine are beginning to turn in Russia's favour or at least moving away from Ukraine.
It seems unconscionable but peek behind the curtain at attitudes and trends among those in Russia's former sphere of influence and some startling truths emerge.
One Eurobarometer poll in 2022 had already found that across Central and Eastern Europe, total agreement on support for sanctions against Russia varies from highs of 57 percent in Poland and 55 percent in Estonia to lows of 35 percent in Slovakia, 30 percent in Hungary and 20 percent in Bulgaria (https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2693).
Meanwhile, data from Slovakian non-governmental organisation GLOBSEC last year found while narrow majorities of people in the Czech Republic, Estonia, Lithuania and Poland would like their countries to be part of 'the West', this was still below half for people in Bulgaria, Hungary, Latvia, Romania and Slovakia.
More recently, we know from a study in the Czech Republic that 48 percent of Czechs are either “not sure”, “misinformed”, or “strongly pro-Russian” when it comes to their views of the Ukraine war. More striking still, a study by MNFORCE and Seesame agencies, and the Slovak Academy of Sciences, found more than half of Slovaks welcome a Russian victory.
Slovakia is especially noteworthy since the upcoming election in that country could see a more pro-Russian coalition emerge.
The man quite likely to become Slovakia's PM once again, Robert Fico, has said he would “stop supply of weapons to Ukraine".
Meanwhile, just this week, in a dramatic turn of events, Poland - Ukraine's biggest regional ally - has said it is no longer supplying weapons to its neighbour, with the focus now on defending itself. The background to this is a grain dispute, as well as an October election where the conservative nationalist Law and Justice party could be joined by the even more Eurosceptic and conservative 'Confederation', and Confederation's support for Kyiv is a matter of debate.
As regards the grain, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia are banning Ukrainian agricultural imports, with Ukraine planning to take its case to the World Trade Organization (WTO). On Tuesday, Croatia also confirmed no further Ukrainian grain imports.
This comes as the EU overrode the concerns of the Eastern European states, and ended the previous partial ban on grain imports from Ukraine, which allowed Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia to ban domestic sales of Ukrainian grains while permitting transit for export elsewhere.
No doubt governments in Poland and Slovakia have elections on their mind, amid fears that farmers - major constituencies for ruling parties in both countries - could be negatively impacted. For its part, the EU is trusting the goodwill of Ukraine and assuming market distortions are over.
However, when even Poland's agriculture minister warns that Ukraine’s agriculture poses a “threat” to EU farmers, the chances of Ukraine joining the bloc seem even more remote. Perhaps after election day Poland and Slovakia will follow Bulgaria's example and lift the ban to bring down food prices. But the damage may be done by then.
Of course, Poland is not going to turn towards Russia per se. But when Ukraine's biggest regional ally is having a massive dispute with Kyiv it hardly bodes well for the latter, sending alarm bells ringing in both Brussels and Washington perhaps that support is starting to diminish.
What is also striking about recent findings is that pro-Russian sympathies are not merely emerging in the countries of southeast Europe - Orthodox Christian and traditionally more sympathetic to Russia, including non-EU Serbia - but in the historically Catholic West Slavic countries as well, like the Czech Republic and Slovakia. And perhaps Croatia, with Croatian president, Zoran Milanović, having previously criticised Western nations for supplying Ukraine. That is before we get to nearby Hungary.
It is worth remembering that a cultural Iron Curtain very much divides the EU and Europe between a liberal West and a conservative East. Hard as it may seem to accept in the West, for many in Central and Eastern Europe, Moscow represents a bulwark against what many see as a Godless and permissive Western world. For good or ill, this is likely informing attitudes towards the war.
Of course, Ukraine is part of this Eastern conservative bloc and is at war with Russia. No doubt there is sympathy with Ukraine regionally but this is being tempered by a general wariness of Western liberalism as well. How this plays out is anyone's guess.
In the end, the people of the region - on the doorstep of the conflict - likely feel some eventual accommodation has to be reached. They need to live with Russia as the dominant power in their backyard, and most understand that a Russia broken up or in chaos risks the creation of a bunch of nuclear-alarmed microstates creating a hundred new problems for the people of Eastern Europe.
But it is the cultural divide which is likely informing attitudes now. Weapons or no weapons, if hearts and minds begin to seriously shift in Eastern Europe, then the tide of the war could begin to seriously shift against Ukraine.
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hvala predsjedniku republike što je svrstao RH na pravu stranu povijesti... :tu

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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 25/9/2023, 22:52

Fiškal, reci mi kako se izvuć da ne ostanem zbog 0.6 bez vozačke?
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Post by T. 25/9/2023, 23:16

uloži prigovor, pred kadijom izrazi kajanje...
napomeni da si primio u kuću 5-6 nac..., ovaj ukrajinaca...
moglo bi upaliti...

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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 25/9/2023, 23:22

T. wrote:uloži prigovor, pred kadijom izrazi kajanje...
napomeni da si primio u kuću 5-6 nac..., ovaj ukrajinaca...
moglo bi upaliti...
Kako se kajati....strašno. To će mi biti gore nego kad striper bude potpisiva bezuvjetnu kapitulaciju...
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Post by sitting_bull 26/9/2023, 00:30

ha ha!

ovo mu dođe kao kad žarko puhovski piše o opoziciji u hrvatskoj, ili još bolje kad o tome govori krešimir macan.
pri tome bi ulogu rusije dobio hdz, a ukrajine oporba.

zanimljivo je kako je stockholmski sindrom glede rusije i dalje prisutan kod dijela slovaka i čeha, dok  kod mađara orban traži put vlastitog političkog opstanka kroz oponiranje i ucjene prema eu kako bi zadržao visoko sufinanciranje iz eu fondova bez kojeg mu se vlast urušava.

ne osporavajući pravo navedenim državama da glede ukrajine imaju vlastiti pristup treba uzeti u obzir kako je riječ o nekoliko zemalja s ukupnom populacijom manjom od 40 milijuna stanovnika naspram više od 400 milijuna stanovnika ostalih zemalja eu + 45 milijuna britanaca i + 15 milijuna šveđana i norvežana.

također, riječ je o zemljama koje teritorijem pokrivaju cca 400.000 kvadratnih kilometara naspram ukuno četiri (4) milijuna kvadratnih kilometara površine eu + 1.150.000 kvadratnih kilometara švedske, norveške i velike britanije.

uobičejeno srpsko kurčenje kako njih i rusa ima 160 milijuna.

je, svatko se tuče za  interese svoje zemlje, osim plenkovića i hrvatske vlade, pa sama pojava ovih nesuglasica niti je nešto neuobičajeno niti je problem koji može izazvati neke tektonske potrese, dok će nesporazum između poljske i ukrajine riješiti ujak sam pošto i u samoj poljskoj političkoj sceni nema suglasja oko pitanja naoružavanja ukrajine koje je navodno zbog problema sa žitaricama dovedeno u pitanje.
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Post by Ringo10 26/9/2023, 02:51

Rat ce potrajati Jos dvije do tri godine Ako Zapad bude I dalje pomagao Kijevski rezim
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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 26/9/2023, 07:36

sitting_bull wrote:, dok će nesporazum između poljske i ukrajine riješiti ujak sam pošto i u samoj poljskoj političkoj sceni nema suglasja oko pitanja naoružavanja ukrajine koje je navodno zbog problema sa žitaricama dovedeno u pitanje.
Naravno, Poljska nakon što joj je pao zrakoplov postala je ujakov pitbul terijer, a žitarce su Američke. 
Pit bull će dobiti šut nogom u glavu i neće više lajati tamo gdje gazda ne želi da laje.
Sada kada je gazda dobro zagnjojio osiromašenim uranom žitnicu Evrope prinosi će biti još bolji i bez nametnika na poljiprivrednim proizvodima te ih jedva čekam na hrvatskom tržištu...
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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 26/9/2023, 08:17

I nisu problem s Poljacima samo Američke žitarice iz Ukrajine mego i Slava 🇺🇦
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Post by Sora 26/9/2023, 11:08

živio Putin
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Post by sitting_bull 26/9/2023, 12:59

rusi tvrde kako ukrajinci ne postoje.

zato je neobično pisanje nove povijesti u kojoj su ruske zločine počinili ukrajinci na čelu s najvećim sinom ukrajine staljinom.

paralelno su pod hitlerom ti isti nepostojeći ukrajinci počinili zulume odijeveni u SS odore.

ispada kako je onda sasvim logično i prirodno što danas nepostojeći ukrajinci tamane putinove ruse koji tvrde kako su nepostojeći ukrajinci zapravo nacisti.

malo je čudno jedino to što putinovi rusi imaju sve karakteristike koje se pripisuju nepostojećim ukrajincima iz ww2.
vezano uz putinove ruse može se primijeniti engleska poslovica koja kaže "ako nešto izgleda kao patka, hoda kao patka i glasa se kao patka, onda je vjerojatno riječ o patki" , odnosno nema nepostojećih ukrajinaca, već samo rusi  (staljinovi, putinovi - svejedno) s nacističkim osobinama.

kako stvari stoje denacifikacija rusije ide dosta dobro, malo sporo ali u pravom smjeru.
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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 26/9/2023, 13:10

sitting_bull wrote:rusi tvrde kako ukrajinci ne postoje.

zato je neobično pisanje nove povijesti u kojoj su ruske zločine počinili ukrajinci na čelu s najvećim sinom ukrajine staljinom.

paralelno su pod hitlerom ti isti nepostojeći ukrajinci počinili zulume odijeveni u SS odore.

ispada kako je onda sasvim logično i prirodno što danas nepostojeći ukrajinci tamane putinove ruse koji tvrde kako su nepostojeći ukrajinci zapravo nacisti.

malo je čudno jedino to što putinovi rusi imaju sve karakteristike koje se pripisuju nepostojećim ukrajincima iz ww2.
vezano uz putinove ruse može se primijeniti engleska poslovica koja kaže "ako nešto izgleda kao patka, hoda kao patka i glasa se kao patka, onda je vjerojatno riječ o patki" , odnosno nema nepostojećih ukrajinaca, već samo rusi  (staljinovi, putinovi - svejedno) s nacističkim osobinama.

kako stvari stoje denacifikacija rusije ide dosta dobro, malo sporo ali u pravom smjeru.
Uz pomoć waffen ss-a  cheers
A zapravo se radi o tome da su Ukrajinski rodoljubi poručili stanovnicima da su sada Ukrajinci, a onaj tko se osjeća kao Rus neka ode u Rusiju. Zabranili Ruski jezik u Školi i sl. Ne samo kada su Rusi u pitanju, isti problem je i kod Mađara. Krajnje neobično za predsjednika koji je u matične knjige upisan ka Vladimir, a nedavno postao Volodimir...
Šteta što se te vrijednosti ne primjene i u HR. U Bosni pak ne jer tamo imamo manjinu koju trebamo štiti od toga da postanu Bošnjaci.
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Post by Eroo 26/9/2023, 14:11

Gotovo je. Užas....

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....On je podsetio da je Ivan Kalašnjikov nominovan za zvanje Heroja Rusije.
Kako je saopštilo Ministarstvo odbrane, pet ruskih vojnika iz 37. odvojene gardijske motorizovane
brigade odbilo je napad dvanaest vojnika Oružanih snaga Ukrajine i nateralo ih da pobegnu
kod sela Urožajno u pravcu Južnodonjecka....

https://www.informer.rs/planeta/vesti/831678/rusija-ukrajina-rat-putin-bitka-video-snimak

...Marko Kraljević i Musa Kesedžija. :rofl

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Post by Eroo 26/9/2023, 14:16

PS1:
Kalašnjikov je preuzeo glavni žar bitke. Nalazeći se na vidiku neprijatelja,
vodio je stalnu nišansku vatru, a još dva borca su dejstvovala sa boka iz zemunica.
U borbi su ranjena dva ruska vojnika.


Oooo, jebate.... jocolor

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Post by sitting_bull 26/9/2023, 17:00

Oholo Mudovski wrote: Krajnje neobično za predsjednika koji je u matične knjige upisan ka Vladimir, a nedavno postao Volodimir...
Šteta što se te vrijednosti ne primjene i u HR. U Bosni pak ne jer tamo imamo manjinu koju trebamo štiti od toga da postanu Bošnjaci.
isto bi bilo i u hrvatskoj i u bosni da su matične knjige popunjavali spc i pravoslavni popovi.

umjesto ivana i štefova svi bi bili jovani i stevani.

batina ima dva kraja.
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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 26/9/2023, 18:22

Vidi Boga ti, Bosna je bila pod Turcima pa su Hrvati opstali.
Drugim narodima u Ukrajini pod striperom nije bilo suđeno da opstanu. Trebali su postati Ukrajinci ili se iseliti. Legitimno je provoditi to nad vlastitim narodom, ako si Churchill novog doba... 
Slava 🇺🇦
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Post by zganci_i_jetrica 26/9/2023, 22:21

sitting_bull wrote:zato je neobično pisanje nove povijesti u kojoj su ruske zločine počinili ukrajinci na čelu s najvećim sinom ukrajine staljinom.
Čelični je Bio Gruzijac, a u Gruziji se i rodio.
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Post by Ringo10 27/9/2023, 07:52

Hruscov, Brezhnev I Cernjenko Su bili Ukrajinci
Kao I komandanti Crvene Armije Marsal Rodion Malinovski (Madjarska 1956) I Marsal Andrej Grechko (Cehoslovacka 1968) oba Ukrajinci. Vjecni ministara vanjskih poslova Andrej Gromiko je bio Bjelorus. Staljin I Beria Gruzini. Lenjin svasta a najmanje Rus. Osnivac NKVD Feliks Djerzinski Poljak. Sef NKVD Henrik Jagoda Zhidov. Najmanje Rusa, prvi pravi Rus na celu SSSR Jurij Andropov 1983
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Post by Hoholo Mudovski 3/10/2023, 14:09

Lindsay Graham Suggests If Conservatives Want Border Security They Will Have To Support Funding For Ukraine

[size=30]Lindsay Graham sugerira da će, ako konzervativci žele sigurnost granica, morati podržati financiranje Ukrajine.[/size]
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