Bio je to jedan od najvećih zločina Nemaca u II svetskom ratu

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

Misle da su iznad drugih.

Eroo wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

Jesu li iz čista mira strijeljali? Nisu, ako ja dobro razumijem situaciju.
Ne qrtschi se ako nemaš šučin.

Aj ne seri majke ti.

Divljaštvo neviđeno.

Eroo wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

Jesu li iz čista mira strijeljali?

Jesu. Što su uopće radili tamo..

kaya wrote:

Eroo wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

Jesu li iz čista mira strijeljali?

Jesu. Što su uopće radili tamo..

Upravo tako.

Ali radi se o Srbima i to je Hrvatima dovoljno da i takav pokolj opravdavaju.

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

pa vrlo jednostavno.

uvijek pobjednici kroje povijest. to je tako bilo, tako jest i biti će.

zanimljivo da briti koji su kolonizirali sve, nisu izrabljivači, ono ko domaćeg su dočekali
španjolska
portugal
francuska
nizozemska

i onda pričaju o nijemcima.

ali njemačka je naučila da je u centru kontinenta, pa onda svetoje misli kako su ćifuti kupili tvornicu, nisu nijemci su. francuska i njemačka drmaju svijetom, ali vole budale tipa svetoja pa mu dadu 2000€ neto s prekovremenim.

svijet je okrutan.

veber wrote:zanimljivo da briti koji su kolonizirali sve, nisu izrabljivači, ono ko domaćeg su dočekali
španjolska
portugal
francuska
nizozemska

i onda pričaju o nijemcima.

A ovo je istina. O Nijemcima sude oni koji su i veće pizdarije napravili od Nijemaca

Saveznici su letećim tvrđavama u Dresdenu i Hamburgu i mnogim gradovima napravili pravi masakr nad njemačkim civilima.
Ali koga briga jebi ga. Pobjednici pišu povijest, to je tačno.

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:gle lipo su vas upozorili.. za svakog švabu 100 ubijenih srba.. pa ti pucaj. nakon toga nije bilo mrdanja u srbiji

bil obi i vama isto da niste prihvatili ulogu nacistickih slugana..

Ringo10 wrote:Saveznici su letećim tvrđavama u Dresdenu i Hamburgu i mnogim gradovima napravili pravi masakr nad njemačkim civilima.
Ali koga briga jebi ga. Pobjednici pišu povijest, to je tačno.

landram po njemačkoj, odem obavezno u muzeje.

i tako ameri, briti zatukli essen. ono sravnili ga sa zemljom, ali pogon ugljenokopa i čeličane nisu.
sve su to odvukli u ameriku. s nijemcima, židovima i svetojama. sve, zadnji šaraf pokupili. danas tu tyssenkrupp radi memorijalni park.

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

givmi a brejk Ringec..Nema tu sto da se postiva..Germanska plemena,kasnije i kraljvstva,su izmedju sebe krvolocno ratovala,dok Konig nije rekao da ce ih sveukupno polovicu potaraćatiako ne prestanu izmedju sebea ratovati,pa su se primirili..
svabi su prikriveni bijes i mrznja,naspram svega ostalog..Kazem nakon WW2 su Jemeri uletili i uveli im zakone,i pravila po kojima su svabi morali igrati a i dan danas plesu..sve ostalo je rizik po europu..Strogo je zabranjen razvoj nuklearnog oruzja,kao i ofenzivnog..sve sto i imaju,nije da njih zastiti,nego kad ankl sem rikne,da svabi sluze unutar natoja..

Svabi kipte u biti u sebi,izivljavaju se preko freneticnog posvecivanja radu i zaradi..

SAMO RADI budnog oka Jemera i strogih Zakona,svabi trenutno ne rade pizdarije,ali da im se dopusti da izaberu svoga Fuhrera,prema svome nahodjenju,ucas bi Europa ponovno planula..

svabi su vrlo uljudni u komunikaciji,pa ce ti cak izici u susret..odaje ih samo ona vjecita iskra u oku,koja uvijek tinja...kad se napiju i raspojasaju,sukobe sa nekim verbalno,onda mosh cuti pravo njihovo misljenje i stavove..

Nije ringes t obrutalnost,samo misljenje da njihov jedan svabo vrijedi,u najmanju ruku kao 100 ostalih,iz drugih nacija..mlcice arogantno i bahato,ali...

Eroo wrote:
Jesu li iz čista mira strijeljali? Nisu, ako ja dobro razumijem situaciju.

Ma daj Ero, pa znaš da već godinama kurca ne razumiješ.
Godine su to. Koliko imaš?

crvenkasti wrote:

Eroo wrote:
Jesu li iz čista mira strijeljali? Nisu, ako ja dobro razumijem situaciju.

Ma daj Ero, pa znaš da već godinama kurca ne razumiješ.
Godine su to. Koliko imaš?

ere su davli guze svojih zena i prodavali druga plemena na balkanu Turcadiji,p njih nisu dirali..uvije su se nekome u guzicu uvukli ili zabili noz u ledja..

U biti porazom njemacke 1945 su pocele pripreme za kozojeb pohod.njemacka treba dominirati europom. I da zao mi je sto nisu pobjedili

pismejker wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:

kaya wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:Ovo u Kragujevcu je stvarno bio veliki zločin.

A gdje oni nisu napravili zločin.

JA Nijemce poštivam kao narod ali stvarno mi nije jasna tolika divljačka brutalnost na okupiranim područjima. Šta je njih tako obuzelo, ta ideologija germanske nad-rase pa da tako ubijaju ... neshvatljivo.

givmi a brejk Ringec..Nema tu sto da se postiva..Germanska plemena,kasnije i kraljvstva,su izmedju sebe krvolocno ratovala,dok Konig nije rekao da ce ih sveukupno polovicu potaraćatiako ne prestanu izmedju sebea ratovati,pa su se primirili..
svabi su prikriveni bijes i mrznja,naspram svega ostalog..Kazem nakon WW2 su Jemeri uletili i uveli im zakone,i pravila po kojima su svabi morali igrati a i dan danas plesu..sve ostalo je rizik po europu..Strogo je zabranjen razvoj nuklearnog oruzja,kao i ofenzivnog..sve sto i imaju,nije da njih zastiti,nego kad ankl sem rikne,da svabi sluze unutar natoja..

Svabi kipte u biti u sebi,izivljavaju se preko freneticnog posvecivanja radu i zaradi..

SAMO RADI budnog oka Jemera i strogih Zakona,svabi trenutno ne rade pizdarije,ali da im se dopusti da izaberu svoga Fuhrera,prema svome nahodjenju,ucas bi Europa ponovno planula..

svabi su vrlo uljudni u komunikaciji,pa ce ti cak izici u susret..odaje ih samo ona vjecita iskra u oku,koja uvijek tinja...kad se napiju i raspojasaju,sukobe sa nekim verbalno,onda mosh cuti pravo njihovo misljenje i stavove..

Nije ringes t obrutalnost,samo misljenje da njihov jedan svabo vrijedi,u najmanju ruku kao 100 ostalih,iz drugih nacija..mlcice arogantno i bahato,ali...

ti si klasični primjer neobrazovane osobe. iznosiš paušale, pluješ po državi koja ti je omogućila otići u državu koja te sada hrani.

sam si stavio svoju plaću, bez sati.

i da se napiju ti ih ne bi razumio, to što se tvoji jugići oblokaju to je druga priča.

samo si u socijalizmu mogao ležat i dobit plaću, sada te u poznim godinama iznenađuje da moraš raditi.

nemreš ne poznavati jezik, biti nepismen i očekivat veliku plaću.

kroz steuer ti se vidi da radiš prekovremeno.

odoh na kavu, plaća poslodavaoc.

PABLO ESCOBAR wrote:U biti porazom njemacke 1945 su pocele pripreme za kozojeb pohod.njemacka treba dominirati europom. I da zao mi je sto nisu pobjedili

pobjedili su, bez oružja. eto srblje svetoje prekvalificiran od nkv štanca u nkv čistimguzice.

PABLO ESCOBAR wrote:U biti porazom njemacke 1945 su pocele pripreme za kozojeb pohod.njemacka treba dominirati europom. I da zao mi je sto nisu pobjedili

Bar su riješili židovsko pitanje u Europi.

crvenkasti wrote:

PABLO ESCOBAR wrote:U biti porazom njemacke 1945 su pocele pripreme za kozojeb pohod.njemacka treba dominirati europom. I da zao mi je sto nisu pobjedili

Bar su riješili židovsko pitanje u Europi.

yahh..dobro,i njih je na kraju zagnojilo po zasluzi....i sto su postigli,nishta..

PABLO ESCOBAR wrote:U biti porazom njemacke 1945 su pocele pripreme za kozojeb pohod.njemacka treba dominirati europom. I da zao mi je sto nisu pobjedili

Uglavnom dobro rezoniras,ali tu fulas a samo tako...hitler odnosno Trecim reichom su sluzili i Turcadija,neoficijelno,i arapske zemlje u africi oficijelno..
Davno je Hitler se divio Kozojebima,i cesto je znao reci da se divi i Islamu...provjeri ako ne vjerujes..

Nakon 1945. vecina svijeta slavi mir i kraj rata...stos,normalno rezoniranje..

https://timeline.com/nazis-muslim-extremists-ss-6824aee281d2  


[size=40]The Nazis, with the help of an Arab cleric, used Islamic extremists as a tool

It didn’t end well for anyone

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[size=66]When the Nazis heard Mohammed Amin al-Husseini calling for Arabsto “kill the jews wherever you find them,” they knew they had found an ally in their terrible ideology.
Adolf Hitler believed Muslims could be manipulated into being a powerful tool for the Nazis. For the most part, he was wrong, and the majority of Muslims fought against Germany. However a significant number—a whole division—were radicalized through a partnership with virulently anti-Semitic Islamic extremists.




The main such extremist was al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the highest ranking Muslim political leader in Palestine. He was virulently anti-Semitic, with a history of organizing aggressive actions against Jewish people in the Middle East. He also regularly broadcast propaganda over Nazi-controlled radio stations.
As Al-Husseini later explained to Hitler, the Arabs had the same enemies as the Nazis: the Jews, English, and Russians. According to the German record of their meeting, Al-Husseini said the Muslims under his sway “were prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in the war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion.” He was tasked by Hitler with recruiting Bosnian Muslims into what became the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS, the first non-German SS devision.
Such a partnership was at odds with the Nazi narrative of racial purity, of course. Hitler had declared Muslims racially inferior in Mein Kampf, yet he recruited and met with Al-Husseini. [url=https://books.google.ba/books?id=QMts5Z36kjAC&pg=PA47&dq=Al-Husseini+aryan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOn9mRif3SAhVrCMAKHZAODmoQ6AEIGDAA#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9Ca man with more than one Aryan among his ancestors.%e2%80%9d&f=false]Hitler went on to say say[/url] that the Mufti seemed “a man with more than one Aryan among his ancestors” and declared him an honorary Aryan. Bosnia’s Muslims were also declared pure Aryan too. It seemed military and political ends trumped genes for Hitler, who warmed to Islam so long as their enemies remained in common.



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Heinrich Himmler, the commander of the SS and one of the chief architects of the Holocaust, also [url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-KEtPlNQJNgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:"George+H.+Stein"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD96iYt47TAhViGsAKHSu2DEUQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9Cheaven if they fight and are killed in action%e2%80%9d&f=false]said he had nothing against Islam[/url] because it promises followers “heaven if they fight and are killed in action” and that is was “a very practical religion for soldiers.” He saw an opportunity to manipulate that belief. In fact, it was Himmler who suggested to Hitler raising a Muslim SS division in the first place.




But the prospect did make for some odd imagery. Members of the 13th Waffen Mountain Division wore fezzes emblazoned with Nazi insignias, a contradictory mix of Middle Eastern culture and white nationalism. Pictures from the time show SS members with a pamphlet of anti-Semitic propaganda which, judging by the title, framed Jews as the enemy of Islam.
The Waffen Mountain Division of the SS comprised 20,000 troops and mostly fought Communist resistance forces in Bosnia—a key reason the division was formed in the first place. It fought seven other campaigns for the Nazis in the Balkans region, playing an active role in atrocities committed against Jews there. In all, 12,000 of 14,000 Bosnian Jews were murdered by the Nazis and their allies. Ancient synagogues were destroyed, and some Jews were forced to do that very destroying. The last members of the division surrendered to the British in May of 1945. Ten of them were eventually executed for war crimes.[/size]

[size=35]How Nazis courted the Islamic world during WWII[/size]
Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War Two. DW spoke with historian David Motadel about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him.



DW: In your book, "Islam and Nazi Germany's War," you wrote about the policies of the Nazis towards Islamic political entities. What did these policies look like?
David Motadel: At the height of the war in 1941-1942, when German troops entered Muslim-populated territories in the Balkans, North Africa, Crimea, and the Caucasus, and approached the Middle East and Central Asia, Berlin began to see Islam as politically significant. Nazi Germany made significant attempts to promote an alliance with the "Muslim world" against their alleged common enemies — the British Empire, the Soviet Union, America and Jews.
Read more: How Nazi policies of expansion led to World War II
In the war zones, Germany engaged with a wide range of religious policies and propaganda to promote the Nazi regime as the patron of Islam. As early as 1941, the Wehrmacht distributed the military handbook "Islam" to train its soldiers to behave correctly towards Muslim populations. On the eastern Front, the Nazi occupiers ordered the rebuilding of mosques, prayer halls, and madrasas — previously destroyed by Moscow — and the re-establishment of religious rituals and celebrations in order to undermine Soviet rule.
German military authorities also made extensive efforts to co-opt Islamic dignitaries. German propagandists in the eastern territories, the Balkans, and North Africa tried to use religious rhetoric, vocabulary and iconography to mobilize Muslims. They politicized sacred texts like the Quran as well as religious imperatives, most notably the concept of jihad, in order to foment religious violence for political ends. 
From 1941 onwards, the Nazi Wehrmacht army and the paramilitary SS recruited tens of thousands of Muslims, mainly to save German blood. Muslim soldiers fought on all fronts. German army officials granted these recruits a wide range of religious concessions, even lifting the ban on ritual slaughter, a practice that had been prohibited for anti-Semitic reasons by Hitler's Law for the Protection of Animals of 1933.
A widespread assumption exists that Muslims supported the Nazi Regime because they shared an anti-Semitic perspective. This is precisely why the Nazis tried to get Muslims on the regime's side. What can you tell us about this assumption?
On the German side pragmatic, strategic interests were the most important driving force behind this policy. In its propaganda, however, especially in the Arab world, anti-Semitic themes played an important role. Anti-Semitic propaganda was often connected to attacks against the Zionist migration to Palestine which had emerged as a main topic in Arab political discourses.
On the Muslim side one cannot generalize. Some of the Muslim allies of the Nazi regime — most importantly the famous Mufti of Jerusalem — shared the Nazis' Jew-hatred. In the war zones, in the Balkans, in North Africa, and in the Eastern territories, the picture is more complicated. In many of these regions, Muslims and Jews had lived together for centuries. And in some cases, Muslims would now help their Jewish neighbors, for example hiding them from the Germans.

The Mufti of Jerusalem met with Adolf Hitler in 1941. According to Motadel, some of Hitler's Muslim allies shared the Nazi leader's hatred of Jews.
What goals did the Nazi regime pursue with its attempt to persuade Muslims to join them and what were sympathetic Muslim leaders hoping for?
The Third Reich's engagement with Islam was not only that Muslim-populated regions had become part of the war zones, but also, more importantly, that from 1941 to 1942, Germany's military situation had deteriorated. In the Soviet Union, Hitler's Blitzkrieg strategy had failed. As the Wehrmacht came under pressure, strategists in Berlin began to seek broader war coalitions, thereby demonstrating remarkable pragmatism. The courtship of Muslims was to pacify the occupied Muslim-populated territories and to mobilize Muslims to fight on the side of Hitler's armies.
Many of those Muslims who worked with the Nazi regime had pragmatic reasons. They believed that Nazi Germany in 1941-1942 would be victorious and that it would determine the future world order and that the Nazis could help them become liberated from, for example, British imperial rule.  

Historian David Motadel has authered two books and various articles on Islam, Europe and Germany
The motives of these soldiers varied considerably. Of course some recruits were driven by religious hatred and anti-Bolshevist, ideological fervor. Overall, however, Muslims often had rather profane motives for enlisting. 
Did the Nazis really see Islam as something inherently positive or were the Muslims only a means to an end?
Overall, I think that Muslims were means to an end. Nazi policies towards Islam were informed by pragmatism. Some leading Nazis, particularly Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler, repeatedly expressed their respect for Islam. Whenever denouncing the Catholic Church, Hitler routinely contrasted it with Islam. While he denounced Catholicism as a weak, effeminate religion, he praised Islam as a strong, aggressive, martial religion. Overall, however, it was strategic considerations, not ideology, that led to Nazi Germany's campaign for Islamic mobilization.
Read more: The 'good German doctor' who saved Greek lives during WWII occupation
Wasn't Nazi racism a major obstacle to collaborating with Muslims?
Hitler had already postulated the racial inferiority of non-European peoples in "Mein Kampf." Once in power, however, German officials showed themselves to be more pragmatic: Non-Jewish Turks, Iranians and Arabs had already been explicitly exempted from any official racial discrimination in the 1930s, following diplomatic interventions from the governments in Tehran, Ankara, and Cairo. And during the war the Germans showed similar pragmatism. Muslims everywhere, it was clear to every German officer, were to be treated as allies.
The realities on the ground were by no means straightforward. In the first months of the Nazi invasion of Russia, SS squads executed thousands of Muslims on the assumption that their circumcision showed that they were Jewish. Eventually, Reinhard Heydrich, chief Nazi security officer, sent out a directive cautioning the task force executing squads to be more careful. On the southern fringes of the Soviet Union, however, German killing squads still had difficulties distinguishing Muslims from Jews. Moreover, in North Africa, the Balkans, and on the Eastern Front, German soldiers were confronted with diverse Muslim populations, including Muslim Roma and Jewish converts to Islam.
Dr. David Motadel is an Assistant Professor of International History at the London School of Economics and Political Science. He works on the history of modern Europe and Europe's relations with the wider world. In 2017, Motadel was awarded the Philip Leverhulme Prize for History.


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