El, Elohim, Yahweh...

speare_shaker wrote:Certain clues have led biblical scholars to reinterpret the Exodus story to include the Shasu people, who lived in the deserts of southern Canaan from around 1500 BCE until 1100 BCE.
Egyptian texts place the Shasu people in a place called YHW around 1375 BCE.
The name YHW, which may also refer to the Shasu's patron god, bears a striking similarity to the name of the Israelite god, YHWH.
Another clue is that, according to the Bible, Moses encounters the burning bush in the region of Midian (Exodus 3:1), which also lies in southern Canaan.
Some scholars believe a band of refugee slaves from Egypt passed through Midian, including a place called YHW, and adopted the Shasu god as their divine deliverer.

von_Starhemberg wrote:Summa summarum, termini el, elohim, pa i yahweh potječu iz kanaanskog panteona i predstavljaju ili osobna imena ili atribute njihovih bogova. Isti su prihvaćeni od Hebreja, da bi se tek kasnije izdvojio jedan, YHVH, Elohim, kao glava a zatim i jedini bog, najkasnije u 7. stoljeću pr. Kr.

Mad_Vlad wrote:

von_Starhemberg wrote:Summa summarum, termini el, elohim, pa i yahweh potječu iz kanaanskog panteona i predstavljaju ili osobna imena ili atribute njihovih bogova. Isti su prihvaćeni od Hebreja, da bi se tek kasnije izdvojio jedan, YHVH, Elohim, kao glava a zatim i jedini bog, najkasnije u 7. stoljeću pr. Kr.

Summa summarum, neznabošci pojma nemaju.

von_Starhemberg wrote:
Shasu - Hiksi?

vuk-efendija wrote:Bože! Oče! Gospodine!

Možeš Ga zvati Gospodine Bože, Oče naš, Bože Oče.....Nećeš pogriješiti. Bog je jedan, nemaj drugih bogova, bog je duh i ne prebiva u rukotvorinama. Njegovo ime je El-Šadaj ili Svemogući, Sabaot ili Nad Vojskama, Elohim, Adonaj...pa čak i Allah kako ga vole zvati mnogi katolici arapskog i malteškog jezika. E sad dalje nemoj previše misliti. Ne moraš ni znati kako se zove jer nema ih dva pa da se razlikuju po imenu.

Ragnarok wrote:

vuk-efendija wrote:Bože! Oče! Gospodine!

Možeš Ga zvati Gospodine Bože, Oče naš, Bože Oče.....Nećeš pogriješiti. Bog je jedan, nemaj drugih bogova, bog je duh i ne prebiva u rukotvorinama. Njegovo ime je El-Šadaj ili Svemogući, Sabaot ili Nad Vojskama, Elohim, Adonaj...pa čak i Allah kako ga vole zvati mnogi katolici arapskog i malteškog jezika. E sad dalje nemoj previše misliti. Ne moraš ni znati kako se zove jer nema ih dva pa da se razlikuju po imenu.

Dobar ti je recept 'nemoj mislit' vidim da djeluje

von_Starhemberg wrote:El is the name by which the supreme Canaanite deity is known. This is also a name by which God is called in the Old Testament -- El, the God (Elohim) of Israel (el elohe yisrael: Gen. 33:20). In most prose it occurs more often with an adjunct:  El Elyon (the most high God, Gen. 14:18), El Shaddai (traditionally, God Almighty, Gen. 17:1), El Hai (The living God, Josh. 3:10), and very commonly in the plural of majesty, Elohim. In Hebrew poetry El is much more frequent, where it stands quite often without any adjunct (Ps. 18:31, 33, 48; 68:21; Job 8:3).

The word el (singular) is a standard term for "god" in other related Semitic languages including Ugaritic. The Canaanite pantheon of gods was known as the elohim (the gods [plural]). For instance, in the Ugaritic Baal cycle we read of "seventy sons of Asherah". Each "son of god" was held to be the originating deity for a particular people. (KTU2 1.4.VI.46).   A memory of this myth is contained in Genesis, describing the "sons of God" who lay with the "daughters of men". In post-exilic apocrypha these were identified as Nephelim, or fallen angels.



Jews, Christians, and Muslims usually lead adherents to believe that El simply translates to God, and is just one of the titles of the God they worship. They are right - to a point. El is simply a title, and it is one of the titles of the father god. But it is not only Jews, Christians, and Muslims who have worshiped Him. In fact, before Judaism ever existed (let alone Christianity or Islam), El was worshiped as the chief of the Canaanite pantheon. El has many intriguing titles such as Father of Humanity, the Creator of Creatures, and the King, the Father of Time. He is, without doubt, the god of the desert religions, since Abraham specifically called his god by this title: El Elyon. From the Bible, El also receives these titles: Eternal Father, El the Eternal One, and Ancient of Days.

But El has evolved over the years, or at least our vision of Him has evolved. He was originally seen as a distant God, always in need of a go-between to send prayers to Him. This tradition carried over into Judaism and Christianity to a lesser degree, but now it is almost gone. He was also not the only God, but the King of many Gods.

This, too, carried over into Judaism until the time of the patriarchal prophets. Some of the prophets were allegedly able to defeat the prophets of Ba'al, but this is something any Canaanite priest could have predicted, and does not mean that Ba'al and the other Gods did not exist. El was the King of the Gods, more powerful even than Ba'al, so naturally His prophets would defeat Ba'al's. Indeed, Moses did not say that El commanded the Jews not to have any other Gods at all - the original translation says that there should be no other Gods before Him, implying that there were other Gods and that they could be worshiped as long as they were not worshiped more or as greater than El Himself. Remember that the apostates at Mount Sinai abandoned El completely for the golden calf - they were not worshiping El alongside the idol, but were worshiping the idol alone.

Pagan leaders used the name Yahweh. The name was inscribed on the Moabite Stone in Jordan about 830 B.C. exactly as it appeared in the Old Testament. The Lachish Letters, written between 589-587 B.C. and discovered in 1935 in the ancient town of Lachish near Jerusalem, frequently used the name Yahweh


Yw, Yawu, Yah, Iahu, IeuoYw or Yawu is given as the original name of Yam in the Myth of Ba`al from Ugarit, and is probably the same as Ieuo in Philo of Byblos' Phoenician History. He is possibly to be identified with Yahweh. Coincidentally, a likely pronunciation of Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh really is Yahuh (Yahoo!)


The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian YHVH, a "sacred animal or organization


Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush." - Great Events of Bible Times
"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family:
Y represented El the Father;
H was Asherah the Mother;
W corresponded to He the Son; and
H was the Daughter Anath.

Mad_Vlad wrote:

von_Starhemberg wrote:El is the name by which the supreme Canaanite deity is known. This is also a name by which God is called in the Old Testament -- El, the God (Elohim) of Israel (el elohe yisrael: Gen. 33:20). In most prose it occurs more often with an adjunct:  El Elyon (the most high God, Gen. 14:18), El Shaddai (traditionally, God Almighty, Gen. 17:1), El Hai (The living God, Josh. 3:10), and very commonly in the plural of majesty, Elohim. In Hebrew poetry El is much more frequent, where it stands quite often without any adjunct (Ps. 18:31, 33, 48; 68:21; Job 8:3).

The word el (singular) is a standard term for "god" in other related Semitic languages including Ugaritic. The Canaanite pantheon of gods was known as the elohim (the gods [plural]). For instance, in the Ugaritic Baal cycle we read of "seventy sons of Asherah". Each "son of god" was held to be the originating deity for a particular people. (KTU2 1.4.VI.46).   A memory of this myth is contained in Genesis, describing the "sons of God" who lay with the "daughters of men". In post-exilic apocrypha these were identified as Nephelim, or fallen angels.



Jews, Christians, and Muslims usually lead adherents to believe that El simply translates to God, and is just one of the titles of the God they worship. They are right - to a point. El is simply a title, and it is one of the titles of the father god. But it is not only Jews, Christians, and Muslims who have worshiped Him. In fact, before Judaism ever existed (let alone Christianity or Islam), El was worshiped as the chief of the Canaanite pantheon. El has many intriguing titles such as Father of Humanity, the Creator of Creatures, and the King, the Father of Time. He is, without doubt, the god of the desert religions, since Abraham specifically called his god by this title: El Elyon. From the Bible, El also receives these titles: Eternal Father, El the Eternal One, and Ancient of Days.

But El has evolved over the years, or at least our vision of Him has evolved. He was originally seen as a distant God, always in need of a go-between to send prayers to Him. This tradition carried over into Judaism and Christianity to a lesser degree, but now it is almost gone. He was also not the only God, but the King of many Gods.

This, too, carried over into Judaism until the time of the patriarchal prophets. Some of the prophets were allegedly able to defeat the prophets of Ba'al, but this is something any Canaanite priest could have predicted, and does not mean that Ba'al and the other Gods did not exist. El was the King of the Gods, more powerful even than Ba'al, so naturally His prophets would defeat Ba'al's. Indeed, Moses did not say that El commanded the Jews not to have any other Gods at all - the original translation says that there should be no other Gods before Him, implying that there were other Gods and that they could be worshiped as long as they were not worshiped more or as greater than El Himself. Remember that the apostates at Mount Sinai abandoned El completely for the golden calf - they were not worshiping El alongside the idol, but were worshiping the idol alone.

Pagan leaders used the name Yahweh. The name was inscribed on the Moabite Stone in Jordan about 830 B.C. exactly as it appeared in the Old Testament. The Lachish Letters, written between 589-587 B.C. and discovered in 1935 in the ancient town of Lachish near Jerusalem, frequently used the name Yahweh


Yw, Yawu, Yah, Iahu, IeuoYw or Yawu is given as the original name of Yam in the Myth of Ba`al from Ugarit, and is probably the same as Ieuo in Philo of Byblos' Phoenician History. He is possibly to be identified with Yahweh. Coincidentally, a likely pronunciation of Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh really is Yahuh (Yahoo!)


The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian YHVH, a "sacred animal or organization


Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush." - Great Events of Bible Times
"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family:
Y represented El the Father;
H was Asherah the Mother;
W corresponded to He the Son; and
H was the Daughter Anath.

El znači gospodar, moćnik. Taj se naziv upotrebljavao za bogove mnogobožačkih naroda kao i za jednog jednobožačkog. Ništa čudno- slični jezici, slični nazivi.
No other gods imply ne stavljati nikakve idole slike ili kipove izmišljenih bogova ispred jednog Boga i preko njih se moliti.
Moabite stone pokazuje da je Biblija točna kad govori o kralju Meši i Moabitima za koje se prije vjerovalo da je izmišljeno. Ime JHVH se spominje u kontekstu hebrejskog naroda na toj steli.
Kralj Meša malo laže na tom svom kamenu kad veli da je Izrael potpuno uništen i ne postoji više.
To što su neki drugi imali slične nazive za nekog svog boga ne znači da su Židovi hodali okolo i birali koje ime dati jednog Bogu.
I hrvatski naziv Bog je sličan indijskom Bhaga što ne znači da su Hrvati taj naziv prepisali od Indijaca.
I hrvatski naziv za jelo JUHA zvuči slično k'o Jahu pa ne znači da su osnivači Yahoo to prepisali od Hrvata. Ili Židovi pa kasnije umetnuli u Bibliju.
Eto argumenata malo za kojima si žudio.
Ovo zadnje mi je silno. Kak je pojedino slovo hebrejskog alefbeta upotrebljeno za nazive propalih kananskih mnoštba bogova od kamena i drveta. Moraš bit žešći tutlek pa vjerovat u takve idiotarije.
Tko je sklapao ovaj tekstić? Neki gnostik? Slatko.
Neznabošci prije vjeruju u svakakva naklapanja nego što veli Tanah.
Svi drugi su imali neke svoje originalne nazive samo jadni Hebreji ništa pa su išli kupit okolo. I sastavili Knigu koja je preokrenula svijet svojom originalnošću i divnoim porukama i učenjima za sve.
Gdje su kanaanske knjige? Nema ih, propale skupa s njima. Tko uči iz njih? Nitko.
Gdje je Biblija? Skoro u svakom kućanstvu na svijetu. Tko ju proučava? Svaki čovjek maltene. Neprolazno bogatstvo.

Mad_Vlad wrote:

von_Starhemberg wrote:El is the name by which the supreme Canaanite deity is known. This is also a name by which God is called in the Old Testament -- El, the God (Elohim) of Israel (el elohe yisrael: Gen. 33:20). In most prose it occurs more often with an adjunct:  El Elyon (the most high God, Gen. 14:18), El Shaddai (traditionally, God Almighty, Gen. 17:1), El Hai (The living God, Josh. 3:10), and very commonly in the plural of majesty, Elohim. In Hebrew poetry El is much more frequent, where it stands quite often without any adjunct (Ps. 18:31, 33, 48; 68:21; Job 8:3).

The word el (singular) is a standard term for "god" in other related Semitic languages including Ugaritic. The Canaanite pantheon of gods was known as the elohim (the gods [plural]). For instance, in the Ugaritic Baal cycle we read of "seventy sons of Asherah". Each "son of god" was held to be the originating deity for a particular people. (KTU2 1.4.VI.46).   A memory of this myth is contained in Genesis, describing the "sons of God" who lay with the "daughters of men". In post-exilic apocrypha these were identified as Nephelim, or fallen angels.



Jews, Christians, and Muslims usually lead adherents to believe that El simply translates to God, and is just one of the titles of the God they worship. They are right - to a point. El is simply a title, and it is one of the titles of the father god. But it is not only Jews, Christians, and Muslims who have worshiped Him. In fact, before Judaism ever existed (let alone Christianity or Islam), El was worshiped as the chief of the Canaanite pantheon. El has many intriguing titles such as Father of Humanity, the Creator of Creatures, and the King, the Father of Time. He is, without doubt, the god of the desert religions, since Abraham specifically called his god by this title: El Elyon. From the Bible, El also receives these titles: Eternal Father, El the Eternal One, and Ancient of Days.

But El has evolved over the years, or at least our vision of Him has evolved. He was originally seen as a distant God, always in need of a go-between to send prayers to Him. This tradition carried over into Judaism and Christianity to a lesser degree, but now it is almost gone. He was also not the only God, but the King of many Gods.

This, too, carried over into Judaism until the time of the patriarchal prophets. Some of the prophets were allegedly able to defeat the prophets of Ba'al, but this is something any Canaanite priest could have predicted, and does not mean that Ba'al and the other Gods did not exist. El was the King of the Gods, more powerful even than Ba'al, so naturally His prophets would defeat Ba'al's. Indeed, Moses did not say that El commanded the Jews not to have any other Gods at all - the original translation says that there should be no other Gods before Him, implying that there were other Gods and that they could be worshiped as long as they were not worshiped more or as greater than El Himself. Remember that the apostates at Mount Sinai abandoned El completely for the golden calf - they were not worshiping El alongside the idol, but were worshiping the idol alone.

Pagan leaders used the name Yahweh. The name was inscribed on the Moabite Stone in Jordan about 830 B.C. exactly as it appeared in the Old Testament. The Lachish Letters, written between 589-587 B.C. and discovered in 1935 in the ancient town of Lachish near Jerusalem, frequently used the name Yahweh


Yw, Yawu, Yah, Iahu, IeuoYw or Yawu is given as the original name of Yam in the Myth of Ba`al from Ugarit, and is probably the same as Ieuo in Philo of Byblos' Phoenician History. He is possibly to be identified with Yahweh. Coincidentally, a likely pronunciation of Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh really is Yahuh (Yahoo!)


The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian YHVH, a "sacred animal or organization


Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush." - Great Events of Bible Times
"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family:
Y represented El the Father;
H was Asherah the Mother;
W corresponded to He the Son; and
H was the Daughter Anath.

Svi drugi su imali neke svoje originalne nazive samo jadni Hebreji ništa pa su išli kupit okolo. I sastavili Knigu koja je preokrenula svijet svojom originalnošću

von_Starhemberg wrote:Čuj, kao slučajno je što je El preuzet od kanaanskih naroda, nije da su Hebreji doselili odmah do njih, otevši im zemlju. 

vuk-efendija wrote:

von_Starhemberg wrote:Čuj, kao slučajno je što je El preuzet od kanaanskih naroda, nije da su Hebreji doselili odmah do njih, otevši im zemlju. 

Zapravo, nisu oni doselili, nego su Egipćane i ostale protjerali. Nema ni najmanjeg dokaza da su Izraelci ikada boravili zapadno od Sinaja. Boravak u Egiptu i prelazak je mit koji (osim u tori) nema nigdje ni najmanjeg uporišta. ispada da su svi narodi s kojima su Izraelci komšilučili bili nepismeni, uključujući i Egipćane-jednu od najstarijih civilizacija svijeta. 
Ti isti egipćani su pisali bračne ugovore (arheološki dokazi) ljubavna pisamca i viceve, a nitko, niti jedne riječi nije napisao da je jednog dana pošao u vojnu za milijunom ljudi koji su pobjegli iz zemlje i sa sobom odveli deset puta više stoke i stotine kila zlata. Nitko nije napisao da su njemu i svim susjedima pomrli prvorođenci ili da im je pobjegao rob, čak niti da su morali raditi ropski posao jer su svi robovi otišli, ništa, ama baš ništa.....

von_Starhemberg wrote:

Mad_Vlad wrote:

von_Starhemberg wrote:El is the name by which the supreme Canaanite deity is known. This is also a name by which God is called in the Old Testament -- El, the God (Elohim) of Israel (el elohe yisrael: Gen. 33:20). In most prose it occurs more often with an adjunct:  El Elyon (the most high God, Gen. 14:18), El Shaddai (traditionally, God Almighty, Gen. 17:1), El Hai (The living God, Josh. 3:10), and very commonly in the plural of majesty, Elohim. In Hebrew poetry El is much more frequent, where it stands quite often without any adjunct (Ps. 18:31, 33, 48; 68:21; Job 8:3).

The word el (singular) is a standard term for "god" in other related Semitic languages including Ugaritic. The Canaanite pantheon of gods was known as the elohim (the gods [plural]). For instance, in the Ugaritic Baal cycle we read of "seventy sons of Asherah". Each "son of god" was held to be the originating deity for a particular people. (KTU2 1.4.VI.46).   A memory of this myth is contained in Genesis, describing the "sons of God" who lay with the "daughters of men". In post-exilic apocrypha these were identified as Nephelim, or fallen angels.



Jews, Christians, and Muslims usually lead adherents to believe that El simply translates to God, and is just one of the titles of the God they worship. They are right - to a point. El is simply a title, and it is one of the titles of the father god. But it is not only Jews, Christians, and Muslims who have worshiped Him. In fact, before Judaism ever existed (let alone Christianity or Islam), El was worshiped as the chief of the Canaanite pantheon. El has many intriguing titles such as Father of Humanity, the Creator of Creatures, and the King, the Father of Time. He is, without doubt, the god of the desert religions, since Abraham specifically called his god by this title: El Elyon. From the Bible, El also receives these titles: Eternal Father, El the Eternal One, and Ancient of Days.

But El has evolved over the years, or at least our vision of Him has evolved. He was originally seen as a distant God, always in need of a go-between to send prayers to Him. This tradition carried over into Judaism and Christianity to a lesser degree, but now it is almost gone. He was also not the only God, but the King of many Gods.

This, too, carried over into Judaism until the time of the patriarchal prophets. Some of the prophets were allegedly able to defeat the prophets of Ba'al, but this is something any Canaanite priest could have predicted, and does not mean that Ba'al and the other Gods did not exist. El was the King of the Gods, more powerful even than Ba'al, so naturally His prophets would defeat Ba'al's. Indeed, Moses did not say that El commanded the Jews not to have any other Gods at all - the original translation says that there should be no other Gods before Him, implying that there were other Gods and that they could be worshiped as long as they were not worshiped more or as greater than El Himself. Remember that the apostates at Mount Sinai abandoned El completely for the golden calf - they were not worshiping El alongside the idol, but were worshiping the idol alone.

Pagan leaders used the name Yahweh. The name was inscribed on the Moabite Stone in Jordan about 830 B.C. exactly as it appeared in the Old Testament. The Lachish Letters, written between 589-587 B.C. and discovered in 1935 in the ancient town of Lachish near Jerusalem, frequently used the name Yahweh


Yw, Yawu, Yah, Iahu, IeuoYw or Yawu is given as the original name of Yam in the Myth of Ba`al from Ugarit, and is probably the same as Ieuo in Philo of Byblos' Phoenician History. He is possibly to be identified with Yahweh. Coincidentally, a likely pronunciation of Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh really is Yahuh (Yahoo!)


The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian YHVH, a "sacred animal or organization


Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush." - Great Events of Bible Times
"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family:
Y represented El the Father;
H was Asherah the Mother;
W corresponded to He the Son; and
H was the Daughter Anath.

El znači gospodar, moćnik. Taj se naziv upotrebljavao za bogove mnogobožačkih naroda kao i za jednog jednobožačkog. Ništa čudno- slični jezici, slični nazivi.
No other gods imply ne stavljati nikakve idole slike ili kipove izmišljenih bogova ispred jednog Boga i preko njih se moliti.
Moabite stone pokazuje da je Biblija točna kad govori o kralju Meši i Moabitima za koje se prije vjerovalo da je izmišljeno. Ime JHVH se spominje u kontekstu hebrejskog naroda na toj steli.
Kralj Meša malo laže na tom svom kamenu kad veli da je Izrael potpuno uništen i ne postoji više.
To što su neki drugi imali slične nazive za nekog svog boga ne znači da su Židovi hodali okolo i birali koje ime dati jednog Bogu.
I hrvatski naziv Bog je sličan indijskom Bhaga što ne znači da su Hrvati taj naziv prepisali od Indijaca.
I hrvatski naziv za jelo JUHA zvuči slično k'o Jahu pa ne znači da su osnivači Yahoo to prepisali od Hrvata. Ili Židovi pa kasnije umetnuli u Bibliju.
Eto argumenata malo za kojima si žudio.
Ovo zadnje mi je silno. Kak je pojedino slovo hebrejskog alefbeta upotrebljeno za nazive propalih kananskih mnoštba bogova od kamena i drveta. Moraš bit žešći tutlek pa vjerovat u takve idiotarije.
Tko je sklapao ovaj tekstić? Neki gnostik? Slatko.
Neznabošci prije vjeruju u svakakva naklapanja nego što veli Tanah.
Svi drugi su imali neke svoje originalne nazive samo jadni Hebreji ništa pa su išli kupit okolo. I sastavili Knigu koja je preokrenula svijet svojom originalnošću i divnoim porukama i učenjima za sve.
Gdje su kanaanske knjige? Nema ih, propale skupa s njima. Tko uči iz njih? Nitko.
Gdje je Biblija? Skoro u svakom kućanstvu na svijetu. Tko ju proučava? Svaki čovjek maltene. Neprolazno bogatstvo.

Čuj, kao slučajno je što je El preuzet od kanaanskih naroda, nije da su Hebreji doselili odmah do njih, otevši im zemlju. Nitko danas normalan ne negira da je korijen riječi bog u sanskritskom bhaga, jer veliki broj riječi u indoeuropskim jezicima, pa među njima i slavenskim (uključujući i hrvatski) potječu iz sanskrita, kao što je deus potekao iz sanskritskog deva, dyaus (Zeus kod Grka, Deus pater, Dius Piter, odnosno Jupiter kod Rimljana).

Lingvistika ne laže, jezik je poput živog organizma, čak i kad evoluira lako mu se razaznaju korijeni i porijeklo. Knjige Ugarita i drugih kanaanskih gradova , odnosno zapisi postoje i danas, rekonstruirani su u velikoj mjeri, glavni razlog nestanka njihovog većeg dijela je to što su bili pisani klinastim pismom na kamenu, koje se puno teže skladišti i čuva, pa ga je isto tako i teško transportirati u slučaju ratnog stanja, opsada, ili prirodnih katastrofa, što je na bliskom istoku bilo često.

Eto, srećom, ostataka ima i njihova se književnost da rekonstruirati, pa to, jasno, dovodi stručnjake (koji ne moraju biti gnostici, kao što ni ovo gore nije pisao nikakav gnostik) do određenih zaključaka o razvojnom procesu pimenosti i religijske prakse na Bliskom istoku. Ja ne tvrdim da su Hebreji sve moguće prepisali, to bi bilo potpuno netočno i zlobno tvrditi, već da nisu samonikli i samouki u tim stvarima kako se to često predstavlja, već su samo dio tog kulturološkog lanca u koji su se ugradili, nastavili ga i dali mu svoj doprinos. Primjer hebrejskog alfabeta - misliš da je tek tako nastao, sam od sebe? Nije, kao što nije nastao ni feničanski, ni grčki, ni latinski, svi su oni nastali usvajanjem i modifikacijom postojećeg. To se odnosi općenito na sve što se tiče društvenog i kulturnog života apsolutno svake ljudske zajednice, ne samo na pismenost i religiju.

Većina tvojih upisa ide u tom smjeru da ništa drugo nije važno pozornosti osim Tore, nema nikakvih književnih niti duhovnih vrijednosti i čovječanstvu ne znači ništa. Vidiš, baš je to zlobno i zlonamjerno, da ne govorimo o tome koliko je to netočno.

Mad_Vlad wrote:
Gle, važne su i druge stvari i drugi spisi i zapisi i knjige ali uvijek i svugdje se gleda  da se po njima omaložavaju židovski. Uviejk i svugdje se uspoređuju s Tanah-om i Tanah uvijek propada po njima. Sad mi ti reci zašto?  Zašto Tanah ne može biti nikako isztinski zapis nego uvijek mora biti izmišljenost?

Mad_Vlad wrote:Ti pisani dokazi samo potvrđuju da Tora ne laže kad govori o drugim narodima i njihovim kraljevima i običajima. To je prvo.
Drugo je da se uvijek automatski govori kako su Židovi to morali prepisati. Nisu. Jedni govore na svoj način o istim događajima, drugi na drugi način.
Današnjim komentatorima smeta što je Židovima uvijek bog na prvom mjestu i od njega sve započinje. Smeta im i ne razumiju da ako Bog jest onda je normalno da se i brine o svojoj kreaciji i ne prepušta ništa slučaju. To vam smeta.