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by £otk@ 6/10/2019, 15:31
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Re: Greta
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Greta’s very corporate children’s crusade
Behind the schoolgirl climate warrior lies a shadowy cabal of lobbyists, investors and energy companies seeking to profit from a green bonanza
Dominic Green
Features
30/05/2019
(ILLUSTRATION BY MIRIAM ELIA)
Greta Thunberg is just an ordinary 16-year-old Swedish schoolgirl whose fiery visions have convinced the parliaments of Britain and Ireland to declare a “climate emergency”. Greta’s parents, actor Svante Thunberg and opera singer Malena Ernman, are just an ordinary pair of parent-managers who want to save the planet. Query their motives, and you risk being accused of “climate denial”, or of bullying a vulnerable child with Asperger’s. But the Greta phenomenon has also involved green lobbyists, PR hustlers, eco-academics, and a think-tank founded by a wealthy ex-minister in Sweden’s Social Democratic government with links to the country’s energy companies. These companies are preparing for the biggest bonanza of government contracts in history: the greening of the Western economies. Greta, whether she and her parents know it or not, is the face of their political strategy.
The family’s story is that Greta launched a one-girl “school strike” at the Swedish parliament on the morning of August 20, 2018. Ingmar Rentzhog, founder of the social media platform We Have No Time, happened to be passing. Inspired, Rentzhog posted Greta’s photograph on his personal Facebook page. By late afternoon, the newspaper Dagens Nyheter had Greta’s story and face on its website. The rest is viral.
But this isn’t the full story. In emails, media entrepeneur Rentzhog told me that he “met Greta for the first time” at the parliament, and that he “did not know Greta or Greta’s parents” before then. Yet in the same emails, Rentzhog admitted to meeting Greta’s mother Malena Ernman “3-4 months before everything started”—in early May 2018, when he and Malena had shared a stage at a conference called the Climate Parliament. Nor did Rentzhog stumble on Greta’s protest by accident. He now admits to having been informed “the week before” by “a mailing list from a climate activist” named Bo Thorén, leader of the Fossil Free Dalsland group.
Independent journalist Rebecca Weidmo Uvell has obtained an earlier email from Bo Thorén’s search for fresh green faces. In February 2018, Thorén invited a group of environmental activists, academics and politicians to plan “how we can involve and get help from young people to increase the pace of the transition to a sustainable society”. In May, after Greta won second prize in an environmental op-ed writing competition run by the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Thorén approached all the competition winners with a plan for a “school strike”, modelled on the student walk-outs after the shootings at Parkland, Florida. “But no one was interested,” Greta’s mother claims, “so Greta decided to do it for herself.”
Fortunately, Greta’s decision coincided with the publication of Scenes from the Heart, Svante and Malena’s memoir of how saving the planet had saved their family. Unfortunately, Malena omitted to tell her publisher that Ingmar Rentzhog had commandeered Greta’s stunt.
“We had a problem,” says Malena’s editor, Jonas Axelsson. “Journalists asked if it was promotion for the book. It wasn’t at all. It was a nightmare.”
It was, however, a dream for Ingmar Rentzhog. When Rentzhog combined Thorén’s plan and Malena Ernman’s musical fame with Greta’s uncanny charisma and We Have No Time’s mailing list, he turned Greta into a viral celebrity.
“I have not invented Greta,” Rentzhog insists, “but I helped to spread her action to an international audience.”
Trained by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, Rentzhog set up We Don’t Have Time in late 2017 to “hold leaders and companies accountable for climate change” by leveraging “the power of social media”. Rentzhog and his CEO David Olsson have backgrounds in finance, not environmental activism, Rentzhog as the founder of Laika, an investment relations company, and Olsson with Svenska Bostadsfonden, one of Sweden’s biggest real estate funds, whose board Rentzhog joined in June 2017. We Don’t Have Time’s investors included Gustav Stenbeck, whose family control Kinnevik, one of Sweden’s largest investment corporations.
In May 2018, Rentzhog and Olsson of We Don’t Have Time became chairman and board member of a think-tank called Global Utmaning (Global Challenge). Its founder, Kristina Persson, is an heir to an industrial fortune. She is a career trade unionist and a Social Democrat politician going back to the party’s golden age under Olof Palme. She is also an ex-deputy governor of Sweden’s central bank and a New Ager who has discussed her reincarnations and communication with the dead. Between 2014 and 2016, Persson served as “Minister for the Future” in the Social Democratic government of Stefan Lofven.
Petter Skogar, president of Sweden’s biggest employer’s association, is on Global Challenge’s ten-person board. So is Johan Lindholm, chairman of the Union of Construction Workers and member of the Social Democrats’ executive board. So is Anders Wijkman, president of the Club of Rome, chair of the Environmental Objectives Council, and a recipient in February 2018 of Bo Thorén’s call for youth mobilisation. So is Catherina Nystedt Ringborg, former CEO of Swedish Water, advisor at the International Energy Agency, and former vice-president at Swedish-Swiss energy giant ABB.
Catherina Ringborg is also a member of green energy venture capital firm Sustainable Energy Angels. Its members are a who’s who of the Swedish energy sector. Sustainable Energy Angels’ president and chair of investment committee are ex-ABB personnel, and so are four of its 17 members.
When Greta met Rentzhog, he was the salaried chairman of a private think-tank owned by an ex-Social Democrat minister with a background in the energy sector. His board was stacked with powerful sectoral interests, including career Social Democrats, major union leaders, and lobbyists with links to Brussels. And his board’s vice-chair was a member of one of Sweden’s most powerful green energy investment groups.
Greta and her parents probably did not know this. Rentzhog seems to have wanted to keep it that way. On September 2, 2018, a week after Rentzhog claimed to have stumbled on Greta, Dagens Nyheter ran a long op-ed on the need to force the greening of the global economy by “bottom-up” action against national governments, including “broad social mobilisation . . . reminiscent of what takes place in communities threatened by war”. Greta’s mother was one of the nine signatories. Ex-Minister for the Future Kristina Persson and three other Global Challenge board members signed the op-ed but cited other affiliations. Only Rentzhog admitted that he was associated with Global Challenge.
An English edition of the article identifies Rentzhog and Wijkman as its authors. Rentzhog claims that “many of us involved in Global Challenge were also involved” in writing it. He admits that he showed Malena Ernman “the article and the other signatures, but not their titles for Global Challenge”.
Greta’s father Svante, who now devotes himself to managing her career, declined my interview requests and refused to reply to a detailed list of written questions about Ingmar Rentzhog and Global Challenge. Instead, Svante issued an evasive three-paragraph statement through an intermediary. He says that “neither I nor Greta feel qualified to answer” questions about Rentzhog’s business connections, and when the family might have known about them. Svante also claims that “we have never worked with” We Have No Time or Global Challenge. Yet Greta served on We Have No Time’s advisory board between November 2018 and January 2019, and Malena Ernman signed a letter with four Global Challenge board members.
When I asked Rentzhog if he had introduced Greta and her parents to other Global Challenge board members, he replied, “I don’t know, maybe I did, but if Svante says no, maybe it was not connected.” Svante refuses to answer my questions about whether he and Greta have met members of the Global Challenge board. But Global Challenge board member Anders Wijkman remembers.
Wijkman leads the anti-growth Club of Rome. Its alarmist 1972 report, A Limit to Growth?, has become a cornerstone of the “climate emergency” campaign. In December 2018, We Have No Time and Global Challenge launched the Club of Rome’s latest vision of apocalypse, the Climate Emergency Plan. Greta, Rentzhog told me, was invited to the launch event, but was unable to attend as she was already booked to deliver a TED Talk.
The Climate Emergency Plan’s talking points are Greta’s talking points. “Around the year 2030, in ten years, 250 days, and ten hours,” the Scandinavian Cassandra told British parliamentarians, “we will be in a position where we set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it.” The only way to save ourselves is to follow the Climate Emergency Plan, and instantly green the global energy business through massive government investment and emergency legislation. Wijkman of the Club of Rome sees Greta as vital to pushing the “climate emergency” strategy on Europe’s political class.
“We had many scientist and climate researchers who’ve been speaking in terms of emergency for a number of years,” he told me, “but it’s only now, in the last couple of months, that the concept of emergency has been more or less accepted.”
Greta, Wijkman says, has been “instrumental” to this breakthrough. “Young people seemed not to pay much attention only half a year ago, but now obviously they do. So she has been a lightning rod or catalyst of this.”
Has Ingmar Rentzhog been essential to Greta’s rise?
“Yes, yes,” Wijkman agrees, though he finds it hard to quantify. “I don’t know how much he’s been influential. I think that Greta and her father and mother are quite skilled.”
Greta’s father Svante claims she “acts independently of any organisation or individual”. But Wijkman says Greta has “good advisers”, such as climate change professor Kevin Anderson. Anderson claims only to “discuss” Greta’s ideas and “correct” her manuscripts.“I know that he has given her a lot of advice in terms of substance,” Wijkman says.
In January, Rentzhog and We Have No Time used Greta’s face and story in promotional materials for a share issue for a new venture. Rentzhog claimed that the family knew, but Greta and her parents parents insisted that they did not. They announced that their association with Rentzhog was over—a curious statement, considering that Svante claims they had never associated with him in the first place. Greta’s new press agent, Daniel Donner, works from the office of a Brussels lobby group, the European Climate Foundation. Still, We Don’t Have Time retweet Greta as if nothing has changed. In a way, nothing has.
Whatever Greta or her parents know or think, her eco-mob increases the likelihood of legislation and investment that will make colossal profits for people like Global Challenge, We Don’t Have Time and Sustainable Energy Angels. For Sweden’s energy titans, saving the planet means government contracts to print the green stuff. Green energy lobbyists use populist scare tactics and a children’s crusade to bypass elected representatives, but their goal is technocracy not democracy, profit not redistribution. Greta, a child of woke capitalism, is being used to ease the transition to green corporatism.
Behind the schoolgirl climate warrior lies a shadowy cabal of lobbyists, investors and energy companies seeking to profit from a green bonanza
Dominic Green
Features
30/05/2019
(ILLUSTRATION BY MIRIAM ELIA)
Greta Thunberg is just an ordinary 16-year-old Swedish schoolgirl whose fiery visions have convinced the parliaments of Britain and Ireland to declare a “climate emergency”. Greta’s parents, actor Svante Thunberg and opera singer Malena Ernman, are just an ordinary pair of parent-managers who want to save the planet. Query their motives, and you risk being accused of “climate denial”, or of bullying a vulnerable child with Asperger’s. But the Greta phenomenon has also involved green lobbyists, PR hustlers, eco-academics, and a think-tank founded by a wealthy ex-minister in Sweden’s Social Democratic government with links to the country’s energy companies. These companies are preparing for the biggest bonanza of government contracts in history: the greening of the Western economies. Greta, whether she and her parents know it or not, is the face of their political strategy.
The family’s story is that Greta launched a one-girl “school strike” at the Swedish parliament on the morning of August 20, 2018. Ingmar Rentzhog, founder of the social media platform We Have No Time, happened to be passing. Inspired, Rentzhog posted Greta’s photograph on his personal Facebook page. By late afternoon, the newspaper Dagens Nyheter had Greta’s story and face on its website. The rest is viral.
But this isn’t the full story. In emails, media entrepeneur Rentzhog told me that he “met Greta for the first time” at the parliament, and that he “did not know Greta or Greta’s parents” before then. Yet in the same emails, Rentzhog admitted to meeting Greta’s mother Malena Ernman “3-4 months before everything started”—in early May 2018, when he and Malena had shared a stage at a conference called the Climate Parliament. Nor did Rentzhog stumble on Greta’s protest by accident. He now admits to having been informed “the week before” by “a mailing list from a climate activist” named Bo Thorén, leader of the Fossil Free Dalsland group.
Independent journalist Rebecca Weidmo Uvell has obtained an earlier email from Bo Thorén’s search for fresh green faces. In February 2018, Thorén invited a group of environmental activists, academics and politicians to plan “how we can involve and get help from young people to increase the pace of the transition to a sustainable society”. In May, after Greta won second prize in an environmental op-ed writing competition run by the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Thorén approached all the competition winners with a plan for a “school strike”, modelled on the student walk-outs after the shootings at Parkland, Florida. “But no one was interested,” Greta’s mother claims, “so Greta decided to do it for herself.”
Fortunately, Greta’s decision coincided with the publication of Scenes from the Heart, Svante and Malena’s memoir of how saving the planet had saved their family. Unfortunately, Malena omitted to tell her publisher that Ingmar Rentzhog had commandeered Greta’s stunt.
“We had a problem,” says Malena’s editor, Jonas Axelsson. “Journalists asked if it was promotion for the book. It wasn’t at all. It was a nightmare.”
It was, however, a dream for Ingmar Rentzhog. When Rentzhog combined Thorén’s plan and Malena Ernman’s musical fame with Greta’s uncanny charisma and We Have No Time’s mailing list, he turned Greta into a viral celebrity.
“I have not invented Greta,” Rentzhog insists, “but I helped to spread her action to an international audience.”
Trained by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, Rentzhog set up We Don’t Have Time in late 2017 to “hold leaders and companies accountable for climate change” by leveraging “the power of social media”. Rentzhog and his CEO David Olsson have backgrounds in finance, not environmental activism, Rentzhog as the founder of Laika, an investment relations company, and Olsson with Svenska Bostadsfonden, one of Sweden’s biggest real estate funds, whose board Rentzhog joined in June 2017. We Don’t Have Time’s investors included Gustav Stenbeck, whose family control Kinnevik, one of Sweden’s largest investment corporations.
In May 2018, Rentzhog and Olsson of We Don’t Have Time became chairman and board member of a think-tank called Global Utmaning (Global Challenge). Its founder, Kristina Persson, is an heir to an industrial fortune. She is a career trade unionist and a Social Democrat politician going back to the party’s golden age under Olof Palme. She is also an ex-deputy governor of Sweden’s central bank and a New Ager who has discussed her reincarnations and communication with the dead. Between 2014 and 2016, Persson served as “Minister for the Future” in the Social Democratic government of Stefan Lofven.
Petter Skogar, president of Sweden’s biggest employer’s association, is on Global Challenge’s ten-person board. So is Johan Lindholm, chairman of the Union of Construction Workers and member of the Social Democrats’ executive board. So is Anders Wijkman, president of the Club of Rome, chair of the Environmental Objectives Council, and a recipient in February 2018 of Bo Thorén’s call for youth mobilisation. So is Catherina Nystedt Ringborg, former CEO of Swedish Water, advisor at the International Energy Agency, and former vice-president at Swedish-Swiss energy giant ABB.
Catherina Ringborg is also a member of green energy venture capital firm Sustainable Energy Angels. Its members are a who’s who of the Swedish energy sector. Sustainable Energy Angels’ president and chair of investment committee are ex-ABB personnel, and so are four of its 17 members.
When Greta met Rentzhog, he was the salaried chairman of a private think-tank owned by an ex-Social Democrat minister with a background in the energy sector. His board was stacked with powerful sectoral interests, including career Social Democrats, major union leaders, and lobbyists with links to Brussels. And his board’s vice-chair was a member of one of Sweden’s most powerful green energy investment groups.
Greta and her parents probably did not know this. Rentzhog seems to have wanted to keep it that way. On September 2, 2018, a week after Rentzhog claimed to have stumbled on Greta, Dagens Nyheter ran a long op-ed on the need to force the greening of the global economy by “bottom-up” action against national governments, including “broad social mobilisation . . . reminiscent of what takes place in communities threatened by war”. Greta’s mother was one of the nine signatories. Ex-Minister for the Future Kristina Persson and three other Global Challenge board members signed the op-ed but cited other affiliations. Only Rentzhog admitted that he was associated with Global Challenge.
An English edition of the article identifies Rentzhog and Wijkman as its authors. Rentzhog claims that “many of us involved in Global Challenge were also involved” in writing it. He admits that he showed Malena Ernman “the article and the other signatures, but not their titles for Global Challenge”.
Greta’s father Svante, who now devotes himself to managing her career, declined my interview requests and refused to reply to a detailed list of written questions about Ingmar Rentzhog and Global Challenge. Instead, Svante issued an evasive three-paragraph statement through an intermediary. He says that “neither I nor Greta feel qualified to answer” questions about Rentzhog’s business connections, and when the family might have known about them. Svante also claims that “we have never worked with” We Have No Time or Global Challenge. Yet Greta served on We Have No Time’s advisory board between November 2018 and January 2019, and Malena Ernman signed a letter with four Global Challenge board members.
When I asked Rentzhog if he had introduced Greta and her parents to other Global Challenge board members, he replied, “I don’t know, maybe I did, but if Svante says no, maybe it was not connected.” Svante refuses to answer my questions about whether he and Greta have met members of the Global Challenge board. But Global Challenge board member Anders Wijkman remembers.
Wijkman leads the anti-growth Club of Rome. Its alarmist 1972 report, A Limit to Growth?, has become a cornerstone of the “climate emergency” campaign. In December 2018, We Have No Time and Global Challenge launched the Club of Rome’s latest vision of apocalypse, the Climate Emergency Plan. Greta, Rentzhog told me, was invited to the launch event, but was unable to attend as she was already booked to deliver a TED Talk.
The Climate Emergency Plan’s talking points are Greta’s talking points. “Around the year 2030, in ten years, 250 days, and ten hours,” the Scandinavian Cassandra told British parliamentarians, “we will be in a position where we set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it.” The only way to save ourselves is to follow the Climate Emergency Plan, and instantly green the global energy business through massive government investment and emergency legislation. Wijkman of the Club of Rome sees Greta as vital to pushing the “climate emergency” strategy on Europe’s political class.
“We had many scientist and climate researchers who’ve been speaking in terms of emergency for a number of years,” he told me, “but it’s only now, in the last couple of months, that the concept of emergency has been more or less accepted.”
Greta, Wijkman says, has been “instrumental” to this breakthrough. “Young people seemed not to pay much attention only half a year ago, but now obviously they do. So she has been a lightning rod or catalyst of this.”
Has Ingmar Rentzhog been essential to Greta’s rise?
“Yes, yes,” Wijkman agrees, though he finds it hard to quantify. “I don’t know how much he’s been influential. I think that Greta and her father and mother are quite skilled.”
Greta’s father Svante claims she “acts independently of any organisation or individual”. But Wijkman says Greta has “good advisers”, such as climate change professor Kevin Anderson. Anderson claims only to “discuss” Greta’s ideas and “correct” her manuscripts.“I know that he has given her a lot of advice in terms of substance,” Wijkman says.
In January, Rentzhog and We Have No Time used Greta’s face and story in promotional materials for a share issue for a new venture. Rentzhog claimed that the family knew, but Greta and her parents parents insisted that they did not. They announced that their association with Rentzhog was over—a curious statement, considering that Svante claims they had never associated with him in the first place. Greta’s new press agent, Daniel Donner, works from the office of a Brussels lobby group, the European Climate Foundation. Still, We Don’t Have Time retweet Greta as if nothing has changed. In a way, nothing has.
Whatever Greta or her parents know or think, her eco-mob increases the likelihood of legislation and investment that will make colossal profits for people like Global Challenge, We Don’t Have Time and Sustainable Energy Angels. For Sweden’s energy titans, saving the planet means government contracts to print the green stuff. Green energy lobbyists use populist scare tactics and a children’s crusade to bypass elected representatives, but their goal is technocracy not democracy, profit not redistribution. Greta, a child of woke capitalism, is being used to ease the transition to green corporatism.
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Re: Greta
by marcellus 6/10/2019, 15:53
pismejker wrote:Ozbiljno..tak kad odraste ce jesti zive muške..
kad odraste bit će fluidna transđender lezbača s muškim tendencijama
ipak je ona progresivna šveđanka
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Re: Greta
by prckov 6/10/2019, 15:54
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teza = socijalizam
antiteza = kapitalizam
sinteza = odrzivi socijalizam, odnosno = odrzivi razvoj, odnosno = "degrowth communism"
Ili kako Klaus kaze = "economy of caring and sharing"
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Re: Greta
by prckov 6/10/2019, 16:08
inace I greta I jos jedna svabica sto ju je stalno vodala I savjetovala su placene od nekakve udruge koju finansiraju soros, bil gates, Rothschilds I mnogi drugi
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Re: Greta
by prckov 6/10/2019, 16:14
inace ljudi se boje teorija zavjera radi negativnih konotacija koje je taj termin priskrbio, medutim ovdje je upravo u pitanju zavjera politickih elita, bankara I elita opcenito, u cemu izuzetno korumpirana organizacija ko sto je un aktivno ucestvuje
oni koji prodaju pricu o odrzivom razvoju su njihovi pijuni, to je isto slogan iz iste firme kao I klimatske promjene
oni koji prodaju pricu o odrzivom razvoju su njihovi pijuni, to je isto slogan iz iste firme kao I klimatske promjene
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Re: Greta
by melkior 6/10/2019, 17:17
“We had many scientist and climate researchers who’ve been speaking in terms of emergency for a number of years,”
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Primitivci i narcisi ne trpe drukčije, zato napadaju Gretu
Psihijatar Ante Bagarić drži da je nedopustivo i stigmatizirajuće reći da Greta ne može govoriti o klimatskim promjenama jer ima Aspergerov sindrom
Talijanski nogometni trener Tommas Casalini zasluženo je dobio otkaz nakon što je Gretu Thunberg nazvao “k..... spremnom za žestoki seks”. Nakon poplave primitivnih (ne)anonimnih napada među kojima je bilo i javnih osoba koje ne biraju riječi na račun djevojčice s Aspergerovim sindromom, jasno je da mala Greta nije napadana samo kao simbol borbe protiv klimatskih promjena nego i zato što je drukčija. A primitivci i osobito narcisi ne trpe drukčije, osim ako ne šute u nekom kutu, lišeni su empatije do te mjere da su u svojoj samodopadnosti u stanju pasti tako nisko i obrušiti se na dijete. Spremni su veličati Teslu, Einsteina, Newtona, Michelangela, Gatesa, Zuckerberga za koje su iznošene tvrdnje da imaju Aspergerov sindrom, ali kad je riječ o Greti, ona je samo “bolesna djevojčica” koja ne treba javno istupati.
Greta treba govoriti Dakako, Greta nije Tesla, ona je samo dijete kojemu možemo poželjeti, kao i svakom drugom, da bude sretna i da se bavi onim što voli. A drugo je pitanje je li za nju velik teret da bude predvodnica borbe protiv klimatskih promjena ili da je u to guraju, no na to nitko od nas laika nema odgovor jer ga mogu dati samo stručnjaci, a ponajviše oni koji je dobro poznaju. Dječji psihijatar Nenad Jakušić ističe da djeca s Aspergerovim sindromom mogu biti jako dobra u onome što ih zanima i čime se bave, ustrajna u tome i na kraju uspješna.
– To može biti područje znanosti, umjetnosti ili zalaganje za zaštitu prirode. Širok je spektar tog sindroma, s kojim ima genijalne djece i djece koja neće završiti fakultet. Već dulje vrijeme teži se tome da se Asperger ne smatra dijagnozom, nego specifičnošću ličnosti. Jako je puno uspješnih ljudi u znanosti i umjetnosti koji bi trebali imati tu dijagnozu koja se postavlja samo ako se osoba ne uspijeva uklopiti u zajednicu i ne uspije završiti školu i živjeti samostalno – kaže Jakušić. Slaže se da djecu s Aspergerom, kao i svu drugu, zlonamjerni mogu iskoristiti. Neće reći, kao sveznalice, da njome manipuliraju roditelji jer ne poznaje Gretu i njezinu obitelj, nego samo kaže “možda da, a možda i ne”. Psihijatar Ante Bagarić drži da je nedopustivo i stigmatizirajuće reći da Greta ne može govoriti o klimatskim promjenama jer ima Aspergerov sindrom.
– Sve osobe s emocionalnim, mentalnim smetnjama su nam ravnopravne, nisu gluplje od nas, to je isto kao da kažemo da onaj tko ima oštećenu hrskavicu ne može trčati po Jarunu. Tko se god referirao na njezine psihičke smetnje, bezobziran je. Djeca s 14, 16 godina smiju govoriti, komentirati sve probleme koje žele i kad nastupaju javno imaju pravo na sve moguće pogreške. Svaki napad na dijete pokazuje koliko smo primitivni, nezreli i negativni. Djeci do 18 godina treba se obraćati pozitivno i podržavajuće i bilo koji drugi pristup je neispravan – kaže Bagarić, dodajući da ne smijemo komentirati bilo koje psihičke smetnje odraslih, a kamoli djeteta. Greta Thunberg | Autor : Reuters/PIXSELL Foto: Reuters/PIXSELL Govor u UN-u – Užas je da se bilo tko ruga Greti govoreći i pišući da ima Asperger, da je neodgojena. To samo pokazuje trulost civilizacije i koliko nema empatije prema tom djetetu. No, isto tako mislim i da govor u skupštini UN-a nije sama napisala i da voditelji političkih projekata za borbu protiv klimatskih promjena, teških milijarde, ne bi smjeli koristiti djecu za svoje ciljeve. To mi je jedino sporno jer postoji vjerojatnost da se psihički slomi zbog milijuna napada na nju u medijima, što nije lako za dijete – kaže Bagarić. Na pitanje može li joj govor u UN-u štetiti, Jakušić kaže da mozak djece s Aspergerom drukčije funkcionira jer kad se bave onim što ih zanima, često ih ne zanimaju kritike okoline i vršnjaka. – Ako je taj nastup bio njezina želja, vjerojatno joj neće naškoditi, no drugo je ako ju je netko gurao u to mimo njezine volje – zaključuje.
Pročitajte više na: https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/primitivci-i-narcisi-ne-trpe-drukcije-zato-napadaju-gretu-1349380 - www.vecernji.hr
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Primitivci i narcisi ne trpe drukčije, zato napadaju Gretu
Psihijatar Ante Bagarić drži da je nedopustivo i stigmatizirajuće reći da Greta ne može govoriti o klimatskim promjenama jer ima Aspergerov sindrom
Talijanski nogometni trener Tommas Casalini zasluženo je dobio otkaz nakon što je Gretu Thunberg nazvao “k..... spremnom za žestoki seks”. Nakon poplave primitivnih (ne)anonimnih napada među kojima je bilo i javnih osoba koje ne biraju riječi na račun djevojčice s Aspergerovim sindromom, jasno je da mala Greta nije napadana samo kao simbol borbe protiv klimatskih promjena nego i zato što je drukčija. A primitivci i osobito narcisi ne trpe drukčije, osim ako ne šute u nekom kutu, lišeni su empatije do te mjere da su u svojoj samodopadnosti u stanju pasti tako nisko i obrušiti se na dijete. Spremni su veličati Teslu, Einsteina, Newtona, Michelangela, Gatesa, Zuckerberga za koje su iznošene tvrdnje da imaju Aspergerov sindrom, ali kad je riječ o Greti, ona je samo “bolesna djevojčica” koja ne treba javno istupati.
Greta treba govoriti Dakako, Greta nije Tesla, ona je samo dijete kojemu možemo poželjeti, kao i svakom drugom, da bude sretna i da se bavi onim što voli. A drugo je pitanje je li za nju velik teret da bude predvodnica borbe protiv klimatskih promjena ili da je u to guraju, no na to nitko od nas laika nema odgovor jer ga mogu dati samo stručnjaci, a ponajviše oni koji je dobro poznaju. Dječji psihijatar Nenad Jakušić ističe da djeca s Aspergerovim sindromom mogu biti jako dobra u onome što ih zanima i čime se bave, ustrajna u tome i na kraju uspješna.
– To može biti područje znanosti, umjetnosti ili zalaganje za zaštitu prirode. Širok je spektar tog sindroma, s kojim ima genijalne djece i djece koja neće završiti fakultet. Već dulje vrijeme teži se tome da se Asperger ne smatra dijagnozom, nego specifičnošću ličnosti. Jako je puno uspješnih ljudi u znanosti i umjetnosti koji bi trebali imati tu dijagnozu koja se postavlja samo ako se osoba ne uspijeva uklopiti u zajednicu i ne uspije završiti školu i živjeti samostalno – kaže Jakušić. Slaže se da djecu s Aspergerom, kao i svu drugu, zlonamjerni mogu iskoristiti. Neće reći, kao sveznalice, da njome manipuliraju roditelji jer ne poznaje Gretu i njezinu obitelj, nego samo kaže “možda da, a možda i ne”. Psihijatar Ante Bagarić drži da je nedopustivo i stigmatizirajuće reći da Greta ne može govoriti o klimatskim promjenama jer ima Aspergerov sindrom.
– Sve osobe s emocionalnim, mentalnim smetnjama su nam ravnopravne, nisu gluplje od nas, to je isto kao da kažemo da onaj tko ima oštećenu hrskavicu ne može trčati po Jarunu. Tko se god referirao na njezine psihičke smetnje, bezobziran je. Djeca s 14, 16 godina smiju govoriti, komentirati sve probleme koje žele i kad nastupaju javno imaju pravo na sve moguće pogreške. Svaki napad na dijete pokazuje koliko smo primitivni, nezreli i negativni. Djeci do 18 godina treba se obraćati pozitivno i podržavajuće i bilo koji drugi pristup je neispravan – kaže Bagarić, dodajući da ne smijemo komentirati bilo koje psihičke smetnje odraslih, a kamoli djeteta. Greta Thunberg | Autor : Reuters/PIXSELL Foto: Reuters/PIXSELL Govor u UN-u – Užas je da se bilo tko ruga Greti govoreći i pišući da ima Asperger, da je neodgojena. To samo pokazuje trulost civilizacije i koliko nema empatije prema tom djetetu. No, isto tako mislim i da govor u skupštini UN-a nije sama napisala i da voditelji političkih projekata za borbu protiv klimatskih promjena, teških milijarde, ne bi smjeli koristiti djecu za svoje ciljeve. To mi je jedino sporno jer postoji vjerojatnost da se psihički slomi zbog milijuna napada na nju u medijima, što nije lako za dijete – kaže Bagarić. Na pitanje može li joj govor u UN-u štetiti, Jakušić kaže da mozak djece s Aspergerom drukčije funkcionira jer kad se bave onim što ih zanima, često ih ne zanimaju kritike okoline i vršnjaka. – Ako je taj nastup bio njezina želja, vjerojatno joj neće naškoditi, no drugo je ako ju je netko gurao u to mimo njezine volje – zaključuje.
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Re: Greta
by danni1 6/10/2019, 17:29
Kaj je ta mala napravila da dobiva takvu pozornost? Popljuvala je pidune koje je hrane, ne samo nju nego i nas, bez kojih bi, istini za volju, još uvijek trčkarali gologuzi po šumama i to je to.
Ništa nije napravila, ništa novo rekla, u čem je kvaka?
Ništa nije napravila, ništa novo rekla, u čem je kvaka?
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Re: Greta
by Sora 6/10/2019, 17:36
Danasnji muskarci se useru pred jednom balsvicom
Pa sta onda ja da ocekujem od njih
Koja nisam vise balavica i imam solidnu kilometražu u nogama?
Ne stvarno
Ovo je prekomicno
I uostalom glupavo ne shvaćati tu malu
Od prcka na dalje
Kuzite vi di prica ima poantu ?
Pa sta onda ja da ocekujem od njih
Koja nisam vise balavica i imam solidnu kilometražu u nogama?
Ne stvarno
Ovo je prekomicno
I uostalom glupavo ne shvaćati tu malu
Od prcka na dalje
Kuzite vi di prica ima poantu ?
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Re: Greta
by melkior 6/10/2019, 17:40
NEVINA U LUDNICISora wrote:Danasnji muskarci se useru pred jednom balsvicom
Pa sta onda ja da ocekujem od njih
Koja nisam vise balavica i imam solidnu kilometražu u nogama?
Ne stvarno
Ovo je prekomicno
I uostalom glupavo ne shvaćati tu malu
Od prcka na dalje
Kuzite vi di prica ima poantu ?
KOMENTAR: OSTAVITE GRETU NA MIRU I POBRINETE SE ZA SVOJU DJECU Dok mi hinimo zabrinutost za mladu Šveđanku, više od 70.000 naših učenika pati u tišini
- Snježana Pavić
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Koliko sam imala godina kad sam počela primjećivati slinave poglede svih tih ogavnih tipova? Možda 12? Čim ti grudi počnu rasti, svaki idiot misli da ima pravo nabacivati se s vulgarnim komentarima. “Šta bi ja tebi radio, mala...” I ja sad znam šta bi ja tebi radila, ali to u šestom ili sedmom razredu nisam znala. Samo sam se strašno sramila, sakrivala se u široke tatine košulje i trudila se izbjegavati ljude.
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Isti ti tipovi koji će bez srama zuriti u tijela šestašica i sedmašica i naglas im komentirati grudi i noge, sad su ljuto zabrinuti za mentalno zdravlje “jadnog djeteta”. Nevjerojatno ih iritira 16-godišnja švedska aktivistkinja, koja je uspjela postići ono što oni ne mogu ni sanjati. Kad sedmašicama komentiraju naglas grudi, to su “žene” ili barem djevojke, ali kad 16-godišnjakinja govori u UN-u, ona je “dijete”, i to još teško poremećeno.
Nema veze što mogu samo sanjati da govore engleski dobro poput nje. Ti su tipovi jednako odlučni da su oni ti koji prosuđuju je li neka žena vrijedna ili ne, je li za madraca ili za mudraca. Ako je za madraca, onda joj slijedi par desetljeća ponižavanja i vrijeđanja od svakoga kome se usput digne. A ako nije za madraca, još gore. Onda je za škovace.
Na tisuće ih je i strašno su nesretni što su socijalne službe u Švedskoj zakazale, pa je Greta umjesto u školi završila u New Yorku. Nije tako samo kod nas, Greta Thunberg uspješno je naciljala G-točku milijuna muškaraca. “To je dobar znak”, rekla je za Der Spiegel. “Ponekad čitam te komentare kako bih se upoznala s argumentima tih ljudi. Većina ih nema argumente: napadaju me na osnovu mog izgleda, ili dijagnoze. Ali dobar je znak da o meni pišu i da me mrze. Time pokazuju da me vide kao prijetnju”, rekla je u intervjuu njemačkom tjedniku, u veljači, nakon Davosa. Da, i tamo su je zvali psihički poremećenim derištem.
Argumenti, koga briga za to? Oni imaju svoje mišljenje. Jesu li se brinuli za 15-godišnjeg Justina Biebera, jesu li ronili krokodilske suze nad tužnom sudbinom Miley Cyrus, kad je s 15 s prvim albumom zarađivala milijune? Sjećate li se možda demonstracija protiv Ante Kostelića, da Ivicu i Janicu ostavi na miru, u školi?
Bilo bi baš lijepo da ova histerija oko 16-godišnje Šveđanke s Aspergerom, koja je preboljela depresiju, pokazuje da su Hrvati jako zabrinuti za mentalno zdravlje djece. Ali to nije tako. Nas je sramota zatražiti pomoć i ako ti dijete ima disleksiju. Sramota je otići psihologu, nedajbože psihijatru. Koga briga što ti dijete pati, važnije je što će selo reći.
Čak 50 posto mentalnih poremećaja počinje prije 14. godine života, upozoravaju stručnjaci iz Hrvatskog zavoda za javno zdravstvo. Pogrešno je misliti da je to prolazno ili da se mogu sami izvući, ističu: važno je djeci pomoći što ranije, kako bi se spriječilo pogoršanje u kasnijoj dobi.
A brojke su strašne: u jednom razredu od 25 učenika, njih pet suočava se s problemima mentalnog zdravlja, a samo jedan dobiva pomoć. Što to znači? Da vaše dijete sjedi u razredu s nekoliko učenika koji imaju ozbiljnih problema, a nitko im ne pomaže. Da je to možda upravo vaše dijete, dok vi na Facebooku zapjenjeno kuckate o Greti. Ako preračunate brojke HZJZ-a, riječ je o 90.000 učenika naših osnovnih i srednjih škola. Nekakvu stručnu pomoć dobiva otprilike njih 18.500. To onda znači da više od 70.000 djece u Hrvatskoj pati u tišini - dok njihovi očevi, stričevi, djedovi (i neke majke, tetke, bake) pjene po internetu zbog lošeg švedskog socijalnog sustava.
Zato pustite Gretu, bogata Švedska zna se sama pobrinuti za svoju djecu. Radije se okrenite oko sebe, zagrlite svoje dijete, razgovarajte. Ostavite se Grete: u ovom trenutku 70.000 dječaka i djevojčica u Hrvatskoj teško pati, a da nemaju nikoga da im pomogne.
https://www.jutarnji.hr/komentari/komentar-ostavite-gretu-na-miru-i-pobrinete-se-za-svoju-djecu-dok-mi-hinimo-zabrinutost-za-mladu-svedanku-vise-od-70000-nasih-ucenika-pati-u-tisini/9440906/
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Re: Greta
by melkior 6/10/2019, 17:46
Btw, priča o Greti je priča i o razlikama između švedskog i hrvatskog obrazovnog sustava. Švedski potiče kritičko razmišljanje učenika, a hrvatski poslušnost autoritetu.
melkior- Posts : 17203
2015-08-09
Re: Greta
by melkior 6/10/2019, 17:48
https://www.vecernji.hr/sport/zbog-skandaloznih-komentara-o-greti-thunberg-dobio-otkaz-na-poslu-ova-ku-a-1349167marcellus wrote:pismejker wrote:Ozbiljno..tak kad odraste ce jesti zive muške..
kad odraste bit će fluidna transđender lezbača s muškim tendencijama
ipak je ona progresivna šveđanka
Grosseto, talijanski nogometni klub iz Serie D otpustio je mladog trenera Tommasa Casalinija nakon što je na društvenim mrežama objavio status u kojem je napisao da je 16-godišnja aktivistica Greta Thunberg "spremna na žestoki seks".
Šveđanka Thunberg poznata je ekološka aktivistica koja je svjetsku slavu stekla prosvjedujući za okoliš. Casalini je bio ljutit zbog njenih istupa u javnosti te je putem Facebooka skandalozno komentirao mladu Gretu. "Ova ku**a! Spremna je na žestok seks. U pravoj je dobi za to", napisao je Casalini koji je zbog te objave ostao bez posla, a iz kluba su priopćili: "Otpustili smo trenera Casalinija jer se nije ponašao u skladu s moralnim vrijednostima koje se cijene u našem klubu", napisali su, a oglasio se i sam trener koji je nakon svega svjestan da je takvo ponašanje nedopustivo.
Pročitajte više na: https://www.vecernji.hr/sport/zbog-skandaloznih-komentara-o-greti-thunberg-dobio-otkaz-na-poslu-ova-ku-a-1349167 - www.vecernji.hr
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2015-08-09
Re: Greta
by Sora 6/10/2019, 17:56
Vec sam ja nabrojila poznate autiste Nego
ODLIČNI PRILOZI
MELKIOR
ODLIČNI PRILOZI
MELKIOR
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Re: Greta
by danni1 6/10/2019, 17:57
Ostavili bi mi Gretu ali ona neće nas.melkior wrote:NEVINA U LUDNICISora wrote:Danasnji muskarci se useru pred jednom balsvicom
Pa sta onda ja da ocekujem od njih
Koja nisam vise balavica i imam solidnu kilometražu u nogama?
Ne stvarno
Ovo je prekomicno
I uostalom glupavo ne shvaćati tu malu
Od prcka na dalje
Kuzite vi di prica ima poantu ?
KOMENTAR: OSTAVITE GRETU NA MIRU I POBRINETE SE ZA SVOJU DJECU Dok mi hinimo zabrinutost za mladu Šveđanku, više od 70.000 naših učenika pati u tišini
AUTOR:
- Snježana Pavić
OBJAVLJENO:04.10.2019. u 09:05
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Koliko sam imala godina kad sam počela primjećivati slinave poglede svih tih ogavnih tipova? Možda 12? Čim ti grudi počnu rasti, svaki idiot misli da ima pravo nabacivati se s vulgarnim komentarima. “Šta bi ja tebi radio, mala...” I ja sad znam šta bi ja tebi radila, ali to u šestom ili sedmom razredu nisam znala. Samo sam se strašno sramila, sakrivala se u široke tatine košulje i trudila se izbjegavati ljude.Vezane vijesti
Kako je pobuna na Murteru prekinula šutnju o premlaćenoj ženi
Nasilnici više ne mogu biti mirni, ali većina je i dalje na njihovoj strani. Ipak, bijes raste...
Isti ti tipovi koji će bez srama zuriti u tijela šestašica i sedmašica i naglas im komentirati grudi i noge, sad su ljuto zabrinuti za mentalno zdravlje “jadnog djeteta”. Nevjerojatno ih iritira 16-godišnja švedska aktivistkinja, koja je uspjela postići ono što oni ne mogu ni sanjati. Kad sedmašicama komentiraju naglas grudi, to su “žene” ili barem djevojke, ali kad 16-godišnjakinja govori u UN-u, ona je “dijete”, i to još teško poremećeno.
Nema veze što mogu samo sanjati da govore engleski dobro poput nje. Ti su tipovi jednako odlučni da su oni ti koji prosuđuju je li neka žena vrijedna ili ne, je li za madraca ili za mudraca. Ako je za madraca, onda joj slijedi par desetljeća ponižavanja i vrijeđanja od svakoga kome se usput digne. A ako nije za madraca, još gore. Onda je za škovace.
Na tisuće ih je i strašno su nesretni što su socijalne službe u Švedskoj zakazale, pa je Greta umjesto u školi završila u New Yorku. Nije tako samo kod nas, Greta Thunberg uspješno je naciljala G-točku milijuna muškaraca. “To je dobar znak”, rekla je za Der Spiegel. “Ponekad čitam te komentare kako bih se upoznala s argumentima tih ljudi. Većina ih nema argumente: napadaju me na osnovu mog izgleda, ili dijagnoze. Ali dobar je znak da o meni pišu i da me mrze. Time pokazuju da me vide kao prijetnju”, rekla je u intervjuu njemačkom tjedniku, u veljači, nakon Davosa. Da, i tamo su je zvali psihički poremećenim derištem.
Argumenti, koga briga za to? Oni imaju svoje mišljenje. Jesu li se brinuli za 15-godišnjeg Justina Biebera, jesu li ronili krokodilske suze nad tužnom sudbinom Miley Cyrus, kad je s 15 s prvim albumom zarađivala milijune? Sjećate li se možda demonstracija protiv Ante Kostelića, da Ivicu i Janicu ostavi na miru, u školi?
Bilo bi baš lijepo da ova histerija oko 16-godišnje Šveđanke s Aspergerom, koja je preboljela depresiju, pokazuje da su Hrvati jako zabrinuti za mentalno zdravlje djece. Ali to nije tako. Nas je sramota zatražiti pomoć i ako ti dijete ima disleksiju. Sramota je otići psihologu, nedajbože psihijatru. Koga briga što ti dijete pati, važnije je što će selo reći.
Čak 50 posto mentalnih poremećaja počinje prije 14. godine života, upozoravaju stručnjaci iz Hrvatskog zavoda za javno zdravstvo. Pogrešno je misliti da je to prolazno ili da se mogu sami izvući, ističu: važno je djeci pomoći što ranije, kako bi se spriječilo pogoršanje u kasnijoj dobi.
A brojke su strašne: u jednom razredu od 25 učenika, njih pet suočava se s problemima mentalnog zdravlja, a samo jedan dobiva pomoć. Što to znači? Da vaše dijete sjedi u razredu s nekoliko učenika koji imaju ozbiljnih problema, a nitko im ne pomaže. Da je to možda upravo vaše dijete, dok vi na Facebooku zapjenjeno kuckate o Greti. Ako preračunate brojke HZJZ-a, riječ je o 90.000 učenika naših osnovnih i srednjih škola. Nekakvu stručnu pomoć dobiva otprilike njih 18.500. To onda znači da više od 70.000 djece u Hrvatskoj pati u tišini - dok njihovi očevi, stričevi, djedovi (i neke majke, tetke, bake) pjene po internetu zbog lošeg švedskog socijalnog sustava.
Zato pustite Gretu, bogata Švedska zna se sama pobrinuti za svoju djecu. Radije se okrenite oko sebe, zagrlite svoje dijete, razgovarajte. Ostavite se Grete: u ovom trenutku 70.000 dječaka i djevojčica u Hrvatskoj teško pati, a da nemaju nikoga da im pomogne.https://www.jutarnji.hr/komentari/komentar-ostavite-gretu-na-miru-i-pobrinete-se-za-svoju-djecu-dok-mi-hinimo-zabrinutost-za-mladu-svedanku-vise-od-70000-nasih-ucenika-pati-u-tisini/9440906/
Zbog njenog govnanja ćemo ispaštati svi.
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Re: Greta
by Sora 6/10/2019, 17:58
Damelkior wrote:Btw, priča o Greti je priča i o razlikama između švedskog i hrvatskog obrazovnog sustava. Švedski potiče kritičko razmišljanje učenika, a hrvatski poslušnost autoritetu.
I to je jedan od aspekata price o Greti
Nas skolskimsustav ..bla bla
NO NE ZABIRAVITE NAS POLITICKI SUSTAV
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Re: Greta
by T. 6/10/2019, 18:05
melkior wrote:Sora wrote:Koliko sam imala godina kad sam počela primjećivati slinave poglede svih tih ogavnih tipova? Možda 12? Čim ti grudi počnu rasti, svaki idiot misli da ima pravo nabacivati se s vulgarnim komentarima. “Šta bi ja tebi radio, mala...” I ja sad znam šta bi ja tebi radila, ali to u šestom ili sedmom razredu nisam znala. Samo sam se strašno sramila, sakrivala se u široke tatine košulje i trudila se izbjegavati ljude.
Curb your sexipil...
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Re: Greta
by melkior 7/10/2019, 00:07
A dobro, o ukusima se ne raspravlja:T. wrote:melkior wrote:Sora wrote:Koliko sam imala godina kad sam počela primjećivati slinave poglede svih tih ogavnih tipova? Možda 12? Čim ti grudi počnu rasti, svaki idiot misli da ima pravo nabacivati se s vulgarnim komentarima. “Šta bi ja tebi radio, mala...” I ja sad znam šta bi ja tebi radila, ali to u šestom ili sedmom razredu nisam znala. Samo sam se strašno sramila, sakrivala se u široke tatine košulje i trudila se izbjegavati ljude.
Curb your sexipil...
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