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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Regoč 12/28/2018, 22:44
danni1 wrote:Zar nisu srbi lideri u regionu?pismejker wrote:danni1 wrote:Meni ovo izgleda kao odmazda za nešto.Regoč wrote:U teoriji možeš izići iz Eunije i NATO-ja, ali ćeš se u praksi suočiti s odmazdom na svih razinah. Članstvo u vojnom savezu uvjetuje čiju vojnu opremu smiješ nabavljati i s kime smiješ vojno surađivati. Šibensku luku smiješ iznajmiti Portugalu, Norveškoj i Izraelu, ali ne i Rusiji pa makar ju Rusi plaćali u visini godišnjega državnoga proračuna.danni1 wrote:
Znači, ništa.
Džaba pljujemo po vlasti kadto nije do njih.
Hračke treba usmjerit na SAD i EU ne na HDZ?
kako izgleda ta odmazda?
Ne daju ti da kupiš robu od kog želiš, ne daju ti da prodaš robu kome želiš, ne daju ti da surađuješ s kim želiš? jel to odmazda?
Otprilike te svedu na razinu Srbije...sasvim dovoljna kazna..
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Eroo 12/28/2018, 22:50
Jebate, ovi f15 Barak u Siriji prolaze mimo S300 i S400 kao pored turskog groblja... 
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Guest 12/28/2018, 22:53
Etoc,bolje da su israelci ostali krajem 70tih na izradi svojeg Lavi-ja,taj bi gazio F-16 u svemu..
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[ltr]In the 1970’s, the Israeli Aerial Industries developed the “Lavi”, an advanced Israeli fighter jet. Economic and political considerations caused the program to stay on paper, but one can still find some systems and ideas in the IAF today, that originated from the “Lavi” program. Maj. Gen. (Res.) David Ivry, former IAF Commander, tells us about the jet that was a technological and Zionist ideal
Tal Giladi
The Israeli Aerial Industries aspired to develop an Israeli fighter jet, with the first step being the improvement of the "Mirage" and later production of the "Kfir", which gave it the confidence to take the first step in the development of a fighter jet.
In the mid-seventies, the Israeli Aerial Industries attempted to cooperate with a number of countries in the development of the "Aryeh", a dual-engine fighter, an attempt which proved unsuccessful. In the meantime, the IAF was in the midst of developing a long-range program focused on the acquisition of a fighter jet to replace the F-4 "Phantom" and the A-4 "Skyhawk".
"We held a discussion in which we marked the upgrading of the ‘Kfir' or the acquisition of the F-18 "Hornet" as our best options, but to our surprise, IAI personnel were also invited to the same discussion", shared Maj. Gen. (Res.) David Ivry. "In the discussion, the Industries presented advanced programs for a fighter jet called ‘Layout 33' that later became the ‘Lavi'".
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"A stronger Engine"
While the IAI labored over a light aircraft with limited carry ability, the IAF requested a significant change. "We examined ‘Layout 33' and concluded that it was too light for our needs. At the time, I was busy with the preparations for the attack of the Iraqi Nuclear Reactor (Operation ‘Opera', June 1981) and one of the things that I had noticed was that our aircraft didn't have enough fuel to perform long-distance flights. The solution we arrived at was a larger jet with a stronger engine", remembered Maj. Gen. (Res.) Ivry. The Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, sided with the IAF's operational demand. This demand, we now know, was the beginning of the end of the "Lavi" project.
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The atmosphere in IDF HQ, was less than sympathetic toward the project and sided with its cancellation and use of the American funds for different developments. But the "Lavi" was no longer an idea:, three prototypes had been built and three more were in production. Maj. Gen. (Res.) Ivry had already flown one of the prototypes and all of the tests run on the project were successful. "The jet was very good. It had many avionic systems that are considered standard today, but were the first in the world back then, such as alert radar that gave you an all-around view, HUD and many others".
On August 30, 1987, the government voted on the cancellation or continuation of the project as a result of a demand for additional funds. 11 out of 12 votes called for the cancellation of the project. "I was against closing the project. One of my largest challenges were my conversations with the late Yitzhak Rabin, when he was Minister of Defense, I told him that maybe it would be better for me to step down from my position as Director General of the Ministry of Defense, because as someone who was in favor of the ‘Lavi' - I now had to close it", Ivry continued.
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[ltr]In the 1970’s, the Israeli Aerial Industries developed the “Lavi”, an advanced Israeli fighter jet. Economic and political considerations caused the program to stay on paper, but one can still find some systems and ideas in the IAF today, that originated from the “Lavi” program. Maj. Gen. (Res.) David Ivry, former IAF Commander, tells us about the jet that was a technological and Zionist ideal
Tal Giladi
The Israeli Aerial Industries aspired to develop an Israeli fighter jet, with the first step being the improvement of the "Mirage" and later production of the "Kfir", which gave it the confidence to take the first step in the development of a fighter jet.
In the mid-seventies, the Israeli Aerial Industries attempted to cooperate with a number of countries in the development of the "Aryeh", a dual-engine fighter, an attempt which proved unsuccessful. In the meantime, the IAF was in the midst of developing a long-range program focused on the acquisition of a fighter jet to replace the F-4 "Phantom" and the A-4 "Skyhawk".
"We held a discussion in which we marked the upgrading of the ‘Kfir' or the acquisition of the F-18 "Hornet" as our best options, but to our surprise, IAI personnel were also invited to the same discussion", shared Maj. Gen. (Res.) David Ivry. "In the discussion, the Industries presented advanced programs for a fighter jet called ‘Layout 33' that later became the ‘Lavi'".
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"A stronger Engine"
While the IAI labored over a light aircraft with limited carry ability, the IAF requested a significant change. "We examined ‘Layout 33' and concluded that it was too light for our needs. At the time, I was busy with the preparations for the attack of the Iraqi Nuclear Reactor (Operation ‘Opera', June 1981) and one of the things that I had noticed was that our aircraft didn't have enough fuel to perform long-distance flights. The solution we arrived at was a larger jet with a stronger engine", remembered Maj. Gen. (Res.) Ivry. The Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, sided with the IAF's operational demand. This demand, we now know, was the beginning of the end of the "Lavi" project.
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Controversial Aviation
The atmosphere in IDF HQ, was less than sympathetic toward the project and sided with its cancellation and use of the American funds for different developments. But the "Lavi" was no longer an idea:, three prototypes had been built and three more were in production. Maj. Gen. (Res.) Ivry had already flown one of the prototypes and all of the tests run on the project were successful. "The jet was very good. It had many avionic systems that are considered standard today, but were the first in the world back then, such as alert radar that gave you an all-around view, HUD and many others".
On August 30, 1987, the government voted on the cancellation or continuation of the project as a result of a demand for additional funds. 11 out of 12 votes called for the cancellation of the project. "I was against closing the project. One of my largest challenges were my conversations with the late Yitzhak Rabin, when he was Minister of Defense, I told him that maybe it would be better for me to step down from my position as Director General of the Ministry of Defense, because as someone who was in favor of the ‘Lavi' - I now had to close it", Ivry continued.
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Regoč 12/28/2018, 22:56
Izraelski mlaznjak je teknički bil izvediv, ali je upitna isplativost jer bi radi zarade moral biti nuđen na međunarodnom tržištu, a upitno je bi li to Američani dopustili. Vjerojatno bi bila ista stvar kao i našim degmanom.
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by debotoijusto 12/28/2018, 22:57
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Leviathan2 12/28/2018, 22:58
pa prolazis i ti kroz semafor kad je zeleno, ajd projdi kad je crveno :DEroo wrote:Jebate, ovi f15 Barak u Siriji prolaze mimo S300 i S400 kao pored turskog groblja...
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Eroo 12/28/2018, 23:06
Semafori se ugase, nema onda ni zeleno ni crveno...Leviathan2 wrote:pa prolazis i ti kroz semafor kad je zeleno, ajd projdi kad je crveno :DEroo wrote:Jebate, ovi f16 Barak u Siriji prolaze mimo S300 i S400 kao pored turskog groblja...
Ču'li, jebate, 6 Baraka ušlo, uradili posao i vratili se...a semafori ne prorade.
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Leviathan2 12/28/2018, 23:07
a sta je bilo upaljeno crveno :)Eroo wrote:Semafori se ugase, nema onda ni zeleno ni crveno...Leviathan2 wrote:pa prolazis i ti kroz semafor kad je zeleno, ajd projdi kad je crveno :DEroo wrote:Jebate, ovi f16 Barak u Siriji prolaze mimo S300 i S400 kao pored turskog groblja...
Ču'li, jebate, 6 Baraka ušlo, uradili posao i vratili se...a semafori ne prorade.
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Eroo 12/28/2018, 23:09
Ne, upalili bi oni ali nije bilo letrike...Leviathan2 wrote:a sta je bilo upaljeno crveno :)Eroo wrote:Semafori se ugase, nema onda ni zeleno ni crveno...Leviathan2 wrote:pa prolazis i ti kroz semafor kad je zeleno, ajd projdi kad je crveno :DEroo wrote:Jebate, ovi f16 Barak u Siriji prolaze mimo S300 i S400 kao pored turskog groblja...
Ču'li, jebate, 6 Baraka ušlo, uradili posao i vratili se...a semafori ne prorade.
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Leviathan2 12/28/2018, 23:17
LOLEroo wrote:Ne, upalili bi oni ali nije bilo letrike...Leviathan2 wrote:a sta je bilo upaljeno crveno :)Eroo wrote:Semafori se ugase, nema onda ni zeleno ni crveno...Leviathan2 wrote:pa prolazis i ti kroz semafor kad je zeleno, ajd projdi kad je crveno :DEroo wrote:Jebate, ovi f16 Barak u Siriji prolaze mimo S300 i S400 kao pored turskog groblja...
Ču'li, jebate, 6 Baraka ušlo, uradili posao i vratili se...a semafori ne prorade.
ruski elektricar se opet napijo pa nije spojio semafor
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Re: Kongres odobrio prodaju aviona Hrvatskoj, ali ne onakvih kakve smo izabrali?
by Eroo 12/28/2018, 23:31
Odnija in đava votku...Može i tako, ako se lakše ugasi. Ugasi i ne boj se.Leviathan2 wrote:LOLEroo wrote:Ne, upalili bi oni ali nije bilo letrike...Leviathan2 wrote:a sta je bilo upaljeno crveno :)Eroo wrote:Semafori se ugase, nema onda ni zeleno ni crveno...Leviathan2 wrote:
pa prolazis i ti kroz semafor kad je zeleno, ajd projdi kad je crveno :D
Ču'li, jebate, 6 Baraka ušlo, uradili posao i vratili se...a semafori ne prorade.
ruski elektricar se opet napijo pa nije spojio semafor
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