srbi se vraćaju u pradomovinu

evo, kod siska je zaginulo 7,000 turaka, koji su zapravo uglavnom bili srbi.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha


dvostruka pobjeda, sjebeš jedne i druge u jednoj bitci

He was born Nikola Predojević[1][2] into the Serbian Predojević clan,[3][4][5][6][7] from Eastern Herzegovina. According to Muvekkit Hadžihuseinović he was born in Lušci Palanka, in the Bosanska Krajina region,[8] however, according to his nickname Hersekli, he was from Herzegovina.[9] The birthplace has been given specifically as Bijela Rudina, Bileća.[10] His family originated from Klobuk.[11]

An Ottoman sultan wrote in a book that he had requested from a notable lord in Herzegovina, named Predojević, that 30 small Serb children (including Predojević's only son Jovan, and his nephew Nikola) to be sent to Ottoman service (see devshirme).[12] The very young Nikola was then taken to Constantinople as acem-i oğlan (foreign child) and brought up in the Sultan's court, and was forced to convert to Islam, adopting the name Hasan and advancing to the post of çakircibaşa (chief falconer and commander of falconers in the Sultan's court).[13]

After having been appointed Beglerbeg of Bosnia, Telli Hasan Pasha had the Rmanj Monastery renewed as a seat of his brother, Serbian Orthodox monk Gavrilo Predojević.[14] He also founded a mosque in Polje, Grabovica, in the Bileća municipality.[13]

mnogo zanimljiva ta srpska povijest

marcellus wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

marcellus wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

marcellus wrote:štajaznam... moji preci baš nisu voljeli turke.

To ti znači da su ti preci bili Srbi.

Da su bili Srbi borili bi se na strani Turaka

Lika je bila u sastavu Vojne Krajine. Vojna Krajina je bila obrambeni pojas koji je dijelio AutrUgarsku od Turske. Austrija je je tu naseljavala Srbe koji su, za razliku od Hrvata izvan Krajine, bili slobodni, ali su imali obvezu ići u vojsku.

austrougarska nije naseljavala nikakve srbe nego pravoslavne vlahe, koji su srbima postali u 18. stoljeću po Vuku, i počela ih je naseljavati tek krajem 16. stoljeća i početkom 17. (holjevci su tada već odavno imali plemstvo i grb).

ti vlasi su do tada služili turcima, ali su im austrijanci dali iste povlastice kakve su imali pod turcima da promijene stranu, pa kako je otomansko carstvo počelo slabiti, tako se oni dogovoriše da stanu na stranu jačeg, kao i inače.  

Daj pročitaj malo što o tome piše u povijesti, kako ti nije neugodno blebetati.

Imaš o tim seobama puno tekstova.

da, samo ja ne čitam deretićeve tekstove.

The formation of the Serbian identity of Vlahs in Croatia began in the 18th century under the influence of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC), and most of the local Orthodox priests of the Metropolitanate of Karlovci who were educated in monasteries outside Croatia under the guidance of SPC clergy who came to the southwestern region of the Habsburg Monarchy during the Great Migrations of the Serbs (1690–1739).

In 1695, Serbian Patriarch Arsenije III Čarnojević organized the SPC's hierarchy in Croatia – the territory of the Military Frontier was 'subjugated' to the Eparchy of Gornji Karlovac, and Varaždin Generalate and the rest of Croatia to the Eparchy of Pakrac (since 1705). The Serbianisation of the Vlachs in southern Croatia was the result of the hierarchical linkage of Orthodox Vlachs from southern Croatian territories, at the time ruled by the Venetians, with the SPC in northern Croatia, which strengthened the ritual and ecclesiastical connection of the Vlachs with the Serb immigrants.[

Na Kosovu, odakle se Srbi iseljavaju tokom dvije velike seobe nisu nikako mogli živjeti Vlasi.
Vlasi u Srbiji žive u Banatu i Timočkoj Krajini.

The Habsburg Empire encouraged people from the Ottoman Empire to settle as free peasant soldiers, establishing the Military Frontiers (Militärgrenze) in 1522 (hence they were known as Grenzers, Krajišnici).[29][30] They were mostly of Orthodox faith, Serbs and Vlachs (Romance-speaking).[33][citation needed] Catholic Vlachs were assimilated into Croats, while the Orthodox, under the jurisdiction of the Serbian Orthodox Church, assimilated into Serbs.[

At the beginning of the 16th century settlements of Orthodox Christians were also established in modern-day western Croatia.[24] In the first half of the 16th century Serbs settled Ottoman part of Slavonia while in the second part of the 16th century they moved to Austrian part of Slavonia.[25][26] In 1550 they established the Lepavina Monastery.[27] As Vlach settlements by name and signature we find marked Mali i Veliki Poganac (Poganetz) which was mentioned as Vlach settlement in 1610 and Lepavina (Lipavina) and Marča Monastery ( Eparchy of Marča ).[28] The Habsburg Empire encouraged people from the Ottoman Empire to settle as free peasant soldiers, establishing the Military Frontiers (Militärgrenze) in 1522 (hence they were known as Grenzers, Krajišnici).[29][30] When it comes to the Austrian colonization of the Turkish Vlachs to Slavonian Military Frontier and the Vlachs in the Croatian Military Frontier there are some minor differences. Vlachs to western Slavonia or to the Varaždin Generalate of Slavonian Krajina are coming en masse and in a very short time: from yeare 1597 to 1600.

ALANYA BISER TURSKE RIVIJERE 
izgleda kao dio AZURNE OBALE uglavnom
1000 eura kvadrat prvoklasnog app
da sam manje zaljubljena u JADRAN, ETO ME TAMO

drugim riječima, Srbi (zapravo vlasi) naseljavaju te krajeve tek krajem 16. stoljeća, početkom 17. Povijest Holjevaca u tom kraju ide dosta dalje.

Sora wrote:ALANYA BISER TURSKE RIVIJERE 
izgleda kao dio AZURNE OBALE uglavnom
1000 eura kvadrat prvoklasnog app
da sam manje zaljubljena u JADRAN, ETO ME TAMO

joj daj nemoj bit zaljubljena u jadran i odi tamo

i kad si bila na azurnoj obali da znaš kak izgleda

marcellus wrote:i kad si bila na azurnoj obali da znaš kak izgleda

BILA VIŠE PUTA 
to ČRNJA TOURS ZA MALE PARE ORGANIZIRA 6 DANA OKO 3000 KUNA
i jednom kao dio maturalca jedne srednje škole sve do BARCELONE
i jednom na filmskom festivalu u KANU 

JEL DOSTA TO?

U MONACU SAM PILA KAVU ISPRED KOCKARNICE
ustvari smo buljili tko ulazi u kockarnicu i izlazi 
a ima toga ..tih uspomena

Sora wrote:

marcellus wrote:i kad si bila na azurnoj obali da znaš kak izgleda

BILA VIŠE PUTA 
to ČRNJA TOURS ZA MALE PARE ORGANIZIRA 6 DANA OKO 3000 KUNA
i jednom kao dio maturalca jedne srednje škole sve do BARCELONE
i jednom na filmskom festivalu u KANU 

JEL DOSTA TO?

di spavaš tam za te pare jebote, hoteli su u nici po 500 eura noć a u cannesu soma

ja sam uzel stan u rentu i to sam dobil u biti u pol redovne cijene a i to je bilo 100 eura dan

Sora wrote:U MONACU SAM PILA KAVU ISPRED KOCKARNICE
ustvari smo buljili tko ulazi u kockarnicu i izlazi 
a ima toga ..tih uspomena

monaco mi nije neka fora, iako su restorani i kafići bili jeftiniji nego sam očekivao (zato je kvadrat apartmana sto tisuća eura cca)

eze malo iznad je puno ljepši, i monaco ville iznad monte carla

i naravno Antibes je prekrasan

ovo ostalo je komercijala teška

marcellus wrote:

Sora wrote:

marcellus wrote:i kad si bila na azurnoj obali da znaš kak izgleda

BILA VIŠE PUTA 
to ČRNJA TOURS ZA MALE PARE ORGANIZIRA 6 DANA OKO 3000 KUNA
i jednom kao dio maturalca jedne srednje škole sve do BARCELONE
i jednom na filmskom festivalu u KANU 

JEL DOSTA TO?

di spavaš  tam za te pare jebote, hoteli su u nici po 500 eura noć a u cannesu soma

ja sam uzel stan u rentu i to sam dobil u biti u pol redovne cijene a i to je bilo 100 eura dan

pa na tim proputovanjima se ne spava u glavnim mjestima nego po strani, po selima 
nemam pojma više kak se zovu 
a i nađe se jeftinih smještaja
u madridu smo spavali u centru u nekom malom, jeftinom hotelu

Pa sigurno su lijepi dijelovi turske, koji se naslanjaju na sredozemno more.
Al jbte što ti turci nisu mogli srbima dati bar neki izlaz na more , na crno more naravno, azijski dio.
Oslobodili ljudi istanbul od krščana u turskoj vojsci a štanga..niš...

marcellus wrote:mnogo zanimljiva ta srpska povijest

Mnogo, ja bi još shvatila da traže crno more, ajd tamo su oslobodili od krščana pod mehmedom 2. 
Al jok, to ne traže al hoće karin, zadar, šibenik i sredozemno more..pa jbt..nema smisla.

I što smo danas naučili?

Turci nisu bili Turci nego zapravo Srbi?

A Srbi nisu bili Srbi nego Vlasi?

Gdje ste bili 1593?! :)

niels wrote:I što smo danas naučili?

Turci nisu bili Turci nego zapravo Srbi?

A Srbi nisu bili Srbi nego Vlasi?

Gdje ste bili 1593?! :)

pa srbi su bili turski vazali, i puno ih je poturčeno, poput navedenog

srbi jesu srbi, ali su hrvatski srbi uglavnom nastali od pravoslavnih vlaha. Katolički vlasi su se asimilirali u Hrvate, pravoslavni u Srbe.

A za crvenog ne znam gdje je bio 1593, ali znam gdje je bio 1995 - na traktoru s ćaletom četnikom