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Post by aben on 5/2/2020, 21:03

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ah, šta god da kažem, proglasit ćeš pobjedu! :D

aukontrer, moja pobjeda je jedino ako ti rečeš da obavezno školovanje tribo ukinuti:)

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Post by Beltenebros on 5/2/2020, 21:51


yea, that's no fun-

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Until fairly recently in rural Scandinavia there were no public schools, and, to a large degree, families educated their children by themselves. The higher up in society your family, the greater the responsibility to educate your children. Knowledge and skills were important, and professions were sometimes kept within families, being passed from one generation to the next.

Although the runes (which had served as both letters for writing and symbols of the spiritual, natural forces, and cultural beliefs, etc.) were suppressed when the Roman alphabet was introduced, together with Christianity, the tradition of passing down knowledge through the families ensured the survival of runic wisdom. In one isolated area in Sweden it was still common knowledge to read and write runes into the 20th century.
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Post by aben on 5/2/2020, 22:58

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yea, that's no fun-

baš čitam neš, slčajno:

Until fairly recently in rural Scandinavia there were no public schools, and, to a large degree, families educated their children by themselves. The higher up in society your family, the greater the responsibility to educate your children. Knowledge and skills were important, and professions were sometimes kept within families, being passed from one generation to the next.

Although the runes (which had served as both letters for writing and symbols of the spiritual, natural forces, and cultural beliefs, etc.) were suppressed when the Roman alphabet was introduced, together with Christianity, the tradition of passing down knowledge through the families ensured the survival of runic wisdom. In one isolated area in Sweden it was still common knowledge to read and write runes into the 20th century.



wow, koji primitivci, somi uču dicu...ccc.




Think of it this way: even if schooling were not legally compulsory, if you live in a society where employers and others expect to see a school transcript as a condition of employment or of membership, or where the common question posed to children is “What did you learn in school today?” then most people will see school as the path to becoming an adult. 
Despite the title of Illich’s book, his end goal wasn’t the abolition of schools. At several points, he makes it clear that school is fine as an option for people who want it. His concern was that the legal establishment of schooling leads to the idea that the only way to learn the necessary skills for adulthood is through schools. Twelve-plus years of math and English, of grades and grade point averages. That schooling.


How have we succumbed to such a narrow understanding of education? Simply put, when anything is legally mandatory, it becomes universal, and when anything is universal for long enough, the culture forgets that there were ever any alternatives.  
https://fee.org/articles/why-is-school-compulsory/

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Post by Beltenebros on 5/3/2020, 13:06


dobro, slažem se da škola ne bi trebala biti jedini kanal za inicijaciju ljudi iz djetinjstva u odrasle, potpisujem mogućnost postojanja više kanala..
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Post by aben on 5/3/2020, 13:37

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dobro, slažem se da škola ne bi trebala biti jedini kanal za inicijaciju ljudi iz djetinjstva u odrasle, potpisujem mogućnost postojanja više kanala..

s tin da obavezno moroš odabrati jedun kanal i projti ga?

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Post by Guest on 5/3/2020, 13:52

ste to ti i aben gore na naslovnoj? glup i gluplji. aben lama i jazavac.
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Post by Beltenebros on 5/3/2020, 14:05


ja bu lama
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Post by Beltenebros on 5/3/2020, 14:05

@aben wrote:
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dobro, slažem se da škola ne bi trebala biti jedini kanal za inicijaciju ljudi iz djetinjstva u odrasle, potpisujem mogućnost postojanja više kanala..

s tin da obavezno moroš odabrati jedun kanal i projti ga?

a ne moram ga ni završit jel?
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Post by aben on 5/3/2020, 14:21

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@aben wrote:
chiti patis wrote:
dobro, slažem se da škola ne bi trebala biti jedini kanal za inicijaciju ljudi iz djetinjstva u odrasle, potpisujem mogućnost postojanja više kanala..

s tin da obavezno moroš odabrati jedun kanal i projti ga?

a ne moram ga ni završit jel?

pa da, ni prolaziti krez njega.



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Post by Beltenebros on 5/3/2020, 15:04


sounds kewl

I am in for that

basically nije bitno hoće li se tko obrazovati, ionako se većina kad su svi školovani ponaša kao smeća jedni prema drugima bacaju fekalije, čak i ovdje godinama pišeš s nekim pa ti kaže da jedeš fekalije totalno uncalled for-
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Post by aben on 5/3/2020, 16:12

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sounds kewl

I am in for that

basically nije bitno hoće li se tko obrazovati, ionako se većina kad su svi školovani ponaša kao smeća jedni prema drugima bacaju fekalije, čak i ovdje godinama pišeš s nekim pa ti kaže da jedeš fekalije totalno uncalled for-

doduše, isto bi obi govorilili i da nisu školovani:)

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Post by Beltenebros on 5/3/2020, 18:21


pa, tko zna, mozda bi bili vise skuliraniji i manje napeti
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Post by aben on 5/3/2020, 20:53

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pa, tko zna, mozda bi bili vise skuliraniji i manje napeti

znoš ča, možda i je tako.
30 % merikunskih zatvorenikov su imali learning disabilities, prvenstveno disleksiju. za verovati je da ih je školovanje rinulo preko ruba.

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Post by Beltenebros on 5/3/2020, 22:30


trebali su im logopedi na vrijeme
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Post by aben on 5/3/2020, 23:04

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trebali su im logopedi na vrijeme
ili unschooling.
disleksija je problijem samo u skuli. u realnom svitu je to arguably i prednost.

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Post by Guest on 5/4/2020, 07:37

@aben wrote:
chiti patis wrote:
sounds kewl

I am in for that

basically nije bitno hoće li se tko obrazovati, ionako se većina kad su svi školovani ponaša kao smeća jedni prema drugima bacaju fekalije, čak i ovdje godinama pišeš s nekim pa ti kaže da jedeš fekalije totalno uncalled for-

doduše, isto bi obi govorilili i da nisu školovani:)
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Post by Guest on 5/4/2020, 07:46

@aben wrote: uništeno samopouzdanje i uništenu motivaciju za učenjem putem knjiga (lolek i bolek) koje je nenadoknadivo, ili nerazvijene ili razvijene vještine čitanje i pisanja (koje zbog svega navedenog nika ne će koristiti), ili kombinaciju navedenoga.
vidiš kako je svijet nepravedan prema tebi, ja s pivom i na mješalici svjedno prepun samopouzdanja i jednog dana kad budem totalno zaboravljen ljudi će koristiti krov nad glavom, suho mjesto za spavanje, mirni kutak doma zahvaljujući mojoj lopati i mom ispijanju piva a sranja koja si ti pročitao će biti pokopana s tobom. koja ironija. nenadoknadiva šteta.
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Post by Beltenebros on 5/4/2020, 08:50

@aben wrote:
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trebali su im logopedi na vrijeme
ili unschooling.
disleksija je problijem samo u skuli. u realnom svitu je to arguably i prednost.

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Post by Beltenebros on 5/4/2020, 08:50

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@aben wrote: uništeno samopouzdanje i uništenu motivaciju za učenjem putem knjiga (lolek i bolek) koje je nenadoknadivo, ili nerazvijene ili razvijene vještine čitanje i pisanja (koje zbog svega navedenog nika ne će koristiti), ili kombinaciju navedenoga.
vidiš kako je svijet nepravedan prema tebi, ja s pivom i na mješalici svjedno prepun samopouzdanja i jednog dana kad budem totalno zaboravljen ljudi će koristiti krov nad glavom, suho mjesto za spavanje, mirni kutak doma zahvaljujući mojoj lopati i mom ispijanju piva a sranja koja si ti pročitao će biti pokopana s tobom. koja ironija. nenadoknadiva šteta.

ideje su otpornije i dugovjecnije od gradjevnog materijala, mozda i nazalost..
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Post by aben on 5/4/2020, 10:21

ebenica wrote:
@aben wrote: uništeno samopouzdanje i uništenu motivaciju za učenjem putem knjiga (lolek i bolek) koje je nenadoknadivo, ili nerazvijene ili razvijene vještine čitanje i pisanja (koje zbog svega navedenog nika ne će koristiti), ili kombinaciju navedenoga.
vidiš kako je svijet nepravedan prema tebi, ja s pivom i na mješalici svjedno prepun samopouzdanja i jednog dana kad budem totalno zaboravljen ljudi će koristiti krov nad glavom, suho mjesto za spavanje, mirni kutak doma zahvaljujući mojoj lopati i mom ispijanju piva a sranja koja si ti pročitao će biti pokopana s tobom. koja ironija. nenadoknadiva šteta.

svit ni ni pravedan ni nepravedan, it just is.

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