Re: Što ako su Šveđani jedini pametni?

by Guest Tue 21 Apr - 23:09

[size=30]Coronavirus: Belgium tops the world in number of deaths in relation to population[/size]
Sunday, 19 April 2020

Što ako su Šveđani jedini pametni? - Page 3 Tbt0419becov

Što ako su Šveđani jedini pametni? - Page 3 Tbt0419becov

Belga

The fatality rate in Belgium overall and in retirement homes continues to be high.
Today, the public health authority reported 230 deaths. Yesterday, the number was 290. That brings the total number of deaths to 5,683 since the outbreak of the coronavirus.

More than half of them have been reported from retirement homes. Of the total deaths that occurred in the homes, 4% were cases confirmed by a coronavirus test and 96% were suspected ones.
Graph: Number of reported mortalities in Belgium Što ako su Šveđani jedini pametni? - Page 3 Tbtunnamed13

Što ako su Šveđani jedini pametni? - Page 3 Tbtunnamed13

Source: Sciensano. The figures for the two last days have not yet been consolidated.
The Belgian way of reporting differs from other countries where only cases confirmed by a test are included in the statistics. However, since the authorities on 10 April started a program of testing of all residents and staff in the retirement homes, the picture about the spread of the coronavirus in the homes has started to be clearing.
The latest figures from the Belgian public health authority show that 19 % of the residents and 12 % of the staff were tested positive. On Thursday (16 April), epidemiologist Brecht Devleesschauwer from Sciensano confirmed that the excess mortality in retirement homes has been significantly increasing since mid-March and exceed the levels during the 2018 influenza season.

In fact, Sciensano writes in its daily reports that the suspected cases that were not tested for COVID-19 met the clinical criteria according to a physician.
While a majority of the confirmed cases who passed away in the hospitals are retired people, there is still no figures on how many of them were patients from retirement homes. Asked by The Brussels Times about a breakdown of the figures, Sciensano replied that the figures have not been published.
“Sciensano regularly receive requests for additional data or breakdowns. We therefore continuously evaluate the usefulness of the current open datasets, and discuss proposals to add further details. In each case, it depends on the availability and validity of additional data/breakdowns, as well as on the workload that this would entail,” Sciensano explained.
The Belgian government has admitted that not enough was done to protect the retirement homes but blames it on the lack of tests and protective equipment. A similar discussion has aroused in Sweden where also the retirement homes have been hit by the virus but where the death rate is much lower.

In Sweden, the failure was identified in the lack of supervision of municipal and private retirement homes that often rely on temporary staff without any training in protecting themselves and the residents against the virus. The public h...............ostatak na...

https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/belgium-all-news/107068/coronavirus-belgium-tops-the-world-in-number-of-deaths-in-relation-to-population/

by Guest Tue 21 Apr - 23:09

by T. Tue 21 Apr - 23:11

Triny wrote:
T. wrote:
Triny wrote:
T. wrote:
Triny wrote:
Sad lijepo daj izvor ovome ili priznaj da izmišljaš.
Izvor...
Znam jbg. javio mi poznanik iz univerzitetske bolnice u liegeu...
Bio sam tamo, seraing, rue de la tulipe...
To je već drugi izvor, sigurno ih imaš još.

Imam...
Njegova žena je klimala glavom...
Pričali smo na skype pa sam vidio...

by Noor Tue 21 Apr - 23:11

ups, Belgija deklasira konkurenciju

by Guest Tue 21 Apr - 23:12

[size=36]172 new hospital admissions[/size]
21-04-2020
On Monday 20 April, 973 new cases were reported. 389 patients live in Flanders, 511 in Wallonia and 60 in Brussels. We have no information as to where the other 13 cases live. This brings the total number of confirmed infected people to 40 956.
Furthermore, the situation is as follows:

A total of 4 976 patients have been admitted to hospital. In the last 24 hours, there were 172 new admissions.
A total of 1 079 patients have been admitted to intensive care units, an increase of 8 patients in the last 24 hours.
Since 15 March, 9 002 patients have recovered and have been discharged from hospital, an increase of 107 in the last 24 hours.
A total of 5 998 people have died, an increase of 170 in the last 24 hours. With regard to these 170 deaths, 89 have occured in hospital and 80 in a rest and care home. In the latter group, 2.5% are confirmed Covid-19 cases.
Of the 5 998 people who died, 47% died in hospital, 52% in a rest and care home, 0.4% at home and 0.4% elsewhere. The hospital deaths are all confirmed cases. The deaths in rest homes are both confirmed (4.0%) and suspected (96%) cases.

Presentation of the figures (press conference) [ltr]picture_as_pdf[/ltr]
The number of people confirmed infected in Belgium is still increasing. The number of new hospital admissions is continuing to stabilise, but remains fairly high. So please persevere and follow the general measures, take good care of yourself and of others.
Are you sick? (fever, coughing, respiratory problems, etc.) Then follow the advice of the FPS Public Health and:
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[*]stay at home

[*]contact your doctor directly by telephone

[*]follow the recommendations on the website https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/. That way, everyone will help to slow the progress of the pandemic and protect the most vulnerable among us.

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View the [url=https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/Documents/Covid19/Derni%c3%a8re mise %c3%a0 jour de la situation %c3%a9pid%c3%a9miologique.pdf]full daily report on the (inter)national epidemiological situation of the coronavirus[/url].

https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/news/172-new-hospital-admissions/

by Guest Tue 21 Apr - 23:13

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Worldwide	2.531.804	665.458	174.336
Belgium	40.956	9.002	5.998
United States	814.490	74.752	44.342
Spain	204.178	82.514	21.282
Italy	183.957	51.600	24.268

by Guest Tue 21 Apr - 23:14

Belgium now has the highest death rate from COVID-19 in the European Union but officials insist it is because they have been totally transparent with the data.

With more than 11.5 million inhabitants, Belgium has more than 4,800 deaths and an average of around 419 per one million inhabitants, now ahead of Spain at 409 per one million, the second highest in the EU.

Belgium’s neighbours Britain and France have averages of 202 and 274 per one million respectively, with total reported deaths on the order of 14,000 and 18,000 for populations that are six times bigger.

Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes had to explain why that was the case on Wednesday (15 April), and said the government “made the choice of full transparency when communicating deaths linked to COVID-19,” even if it resulted in “numbers that are sometimes overestimated.”

Most official tallies probably reflect only a fraction of the actual number of infections, because many countries are testing only the most serious cases.

Unlike some countries, Belgium takes fully into account the dramatic situation in retirement homes.

In the country’s more than 1,500 such facilities, the numbers include deaths that are considered linked to the coronavirus even if it has not been proven by tests, a choice not taken by many others.

“In Europe, no country counts like the others. We have the most detailed method,” Health Minister Maggie De Block told the television news channel LN24.

She said the ministry might in future adopt a way of counting that would let Belgium compare its results with other countries, but provided no details.

‘Social, ethical human tragedy’

Some doctors have complained that deaths caused by hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular pathologies and other causes have been lumped into the COVID-19 category, but Emmanuel André, a spokesman for national health authorities, insisted the broad Belgian method of counting “is necessary.”

The virus specialist explained that “the accepted practice is to take suspected cases into account” when tracking the spread of an epidemic.

COVID-19 deaths that were confirmed by a positive test have represented only around five percent of those reported by retirement homes up to now, but Andre said that increased testing in those facilities would push the rate much higher in coming days.

It would also allow authorities to better measure the extent of COVID-19’s spread, he added.

Sociologist Geoffrey Pleyers said “a social and ethical human tragedy” had played out “unseen, behind the walls” of retirement homes as Belgian officials focused on whether hospitals had intensive care capacity to deal with the pandemic.

“What proportion of deaths could have been avoided if people had received hospital care” for other pathologies, Pleyers asked in commentary published by the newspaper Le Soir.

The government plans to multiply by 10 the number of coronavirus tests provided to retirement homes.

But the target of 210,000 kits “is not enough to test everyone,” said Vincent Fredericq, general secretary of Femarbel, the leading federation for the sector in French-speaking Belgium.

He said it cared for 160,000 residents across the country and employed 110,000 staff who were also potential vectors of the virus.

“In the Brussels region, 95 percent of the personnel use public transport, either the metro, trams or buses, which are unfortunately good places to become contaminated,” Fredericq noted.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/belgium-says-transparency-explains-high-virus-death-toll/

by Šandor Winnetou Tue 21 Apr - 23:14

mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi? I tko smo mi uopće da odlučujemo da visokorizične skupine izlažemo pogibelji?

by Guest Tue 21 Apr - 23:15

etoc...

by **Hektorović** Wed 22 Apr - 5:02

by michaellcmacha Wed 22 Apr - 6:22

mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

od kud si ovo izvukao...

by Guest Wed 22 Apr - 6:28

tre wrote:

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi?

Dr. Đikić: Korona je prirodna! Dobra vijest: malo mutira, četiri puta manje od gripe!

https://www.face.ba/vijesti/kina-virus/svjetski-ekskluzivdrdikickorona-je-prirodnadobra-vijestmalo-mutiracetiri-puta-manje-od-gripe/49761

by mutava baštarda Wed 22 Apr - 8:20

Noor wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
Noor wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
Noor wrote:
užas, kakva nedostojanstvena smrt...i onda još ni grob jadnici nemaju
stari i žilavi, nisu niti za nahraniti krokodile u zoo. Ovako u pepeo pa razbacat po ledini...
a ti si mlad i jedar, mogao bi biti jako sladak zalogaj onim krvoločnim pasima što ovce čuvaju gore u brdu i što te presreću kad dolaziš
nemoj bježat, nek se oslade i oni...nije fora da jedu non stop kosti
ja bi im bio specijalitet...
da, pa zašto im to onda ne priuštiš?
šta...živi ti se?
živilo se i starčadi koja sada teče kanalizacijom ili je pretvorena u pepeo

Ja ne tražim od čobana da drži ovce u karanteni zato što se bojim njegovih pasa... Kužiš da su se bolje s ovom "krizom" bolje nosile nerazvijene zemlje, osim Bjelorusije možda, koja nije imala nikakve restrikcije. Ovi ostali što su imali naprednije zdravstvo imali su veći pomor....

by mutava baštarda Wed 22 Apr - 8:26

tre wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi? I tko smo mi uopće da odlučujemo da visokorizične skupine izlažemo pogibelji?

A šta ako za 20 godina Batman prenese virus pa prežive samo oni koji su ove godine preboljeli virus od šišmiša.

Tko smo mi da nerođene unuke bacamo u dužničko ropstvo?

by vuksadinare Wed 22 Apr - 8:30

tre wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi? I tko smo mi uopće da odlučujemo da visokorizične skupine izlažemo pogibelji?

mutavi bi primjenio onu crnogorsku...'nisam te ja ubio ubio te hljeb' Basketball

by mutava baštarda Wed 22 Apr - 8:37

michaellcmacha wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

od kud si ovo izvukao...

93% ljudi svijeta su dužnici, a samo 7% su vjerovnici...
S obzirom da smo u zajebancija priželjkivali da krahira turizam, država bankrotira i čardak propadne, vidimo da smo se zajebali.... Koliko turizam podbaci toliko će se država zadužiti... A tko će to platiti?

by mutava baštarda Wed 22 Apr - 8:40

vuksadinare wrote:
tre wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi? I tko smo mi uopće da odlučujemo da visokorizične skupine izlažemo pogibelji?
mutavi bi primjenio onu crnogorsku...'nisam te ja ubio ubio te hljeb'

Što bi bilo da je Tuđman odlučio ići u deblokadu Vukovara jer nije humano da grad pati a ostali gradovi sviraju kurcu.

by vuksadinare Wed 22 Apr - 8:59

mutava baštarda wrote:
vuksadinare wrote:
tre wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi? I tko smo mi uopće da odlučujemo da visokorizične skupine izlažemo pogibelji?
mutavi bi primjenio onu crnogorsku...'nisam te ja ubio ubio te hljeb'
Što bi bilo da je Tuđman odlučio ići u deblokadu Vukovara jer nije humano da grad pati a ostali gradovi sviraju kurcu.

pa isao je u deblokadu i akcija nije uspjela

by mutava baštarda Wed 22 Apr - 9:48

vuksadinare wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
vuksadinare wrote:
tre wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

Što će biti ako zbog velike viruletnosti virus uspije odraditi mutaciju( opet zbog velikog broja zaraženih gdje su mu mu mogućnosti za mutacije skoro neograničeni) da će i mladi krepavati a ne samo stariji ljudi? I tko smo mi uopće da odlučujemo da visokorizične skupine izlažemo pogibelji?
mutavi bi primjenio onu crnogorsku...'nisam te ja ubio ubio te hljeb'
Što bi bilo da je Tuđman odlučio ići u deblokadu Vukovara jer nije humano da grad pati a ostali gradovi sviraju kurcu.
pa isao je u deblokadu i akcija nije uspjela

provalo se i s lukom i pancetom na koronu pa nije uspjelo

by michaellcmacha Wed 22 Apr - 11:17

mutava baštarda wrote:
michaellcmacha wrote:
mutava baštarda wrote:
tre wrote:Po meni nije problem jesu li švedi pametni ili glupi, problem je etičke i moralne prirode budući da se zna da će stariji ljudi sigurno nahebati ko žuti.
Stariji ljudi će sigurno umrit.
Unuci će sigurno otplaćivati dugove.

od kud si ovo izvukao...

93% ljudi svijeta su dužnici, a samo 7% su vjerovnici...
S obzirom da smo u zajebancija priželjkivali da krahira turizam, država bankrotira i čardak propadne, vidimo da smo se zajebali.... Koliko turizam podbaci toliko će se država zadužiti... A tko će to platiti?

pa ne plaćaju unuci dugove djedova... nego nasljednici... ukoliko nema nasljednika dugovi se smatraju nenaplativima... neki su se po pitanju navedenog zajebavali ali bilo je i onih koji su to uistinu priželjkivali... najbolje bi bilo da plate oni koji su to priželjkivali i svojim odnosom i postupcima tom smjeru i takvom raspletu doprinosili...

by Guest Wed 22 Apr - 11:17

ne placam nish sto nisam potpisao..ej-men

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