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Bombay nights
In the night schools of Bombay, factory workers dreamed that literacy and learning would raise them to respectability
Do nights have a history to tell? How would the history of the working-class nights look? This question drove me to research the lives of the 19th-century labouring poor in colonial India. Following the French philosopher Jacques Rancière’s Proletarian Nights: The Workers’ Dream in Nineteenth-Century France (1981), I wanted to know what the 19th-century labouring poor, especially the cotton textile mill workers of Bombay who worked for 13 or 14 hours a day, did at night. Did they just go to bed or did they socialise with friends, roaming the streets of the city?
We know a lot about the daytime lives of workers. Historians of capitalism, slavery, labour and commodities have favoured the daytime. But that’s only half the story – the other half of our lives is spent at night. Nights are critical to the history of capitalism and labour: control over the night-time was a political act for workers. It asserted their dignity as independent beings. Night was where workers dreamed and pursued their own visions, both together and as individuals.
During the 17th century, the meanings of the night and nightlife in Europe fundamentally changed. In the move towards industrialisation, the night generated new notions and practices of religious experience, a new kind of crime world, as well as new public and private spaces, court culture, witchcraft trials, regulation and policing (through street lights). In Evenings’s Empire (2012), the historian Craig Koslofsky calls it the colonisation of the night: the way urban people slept, socialised and worked radically changed from the early modern period. Artificial lights stretched the daytime realm into the night. Many activities that required light were now possible after dark too. Rural people continued to sleep as humans long had, where the evening slumber is divided in two. But urban people shifted to a single sleep of seven to eight hours. A greater demarcation developed between the day and the night, especially in cities. Night stood for repose, and day for labour. This was not the case before industrialisation. In craft and artisanal work, people had task- or nature-oriented notions of time.
Disciplined industrial capitalism reversed time and work, and people had to master timed notions of work and life, as the British historian E P Thompson showed in 1967. Clocks and timekeeping proliferated and acquired new authority. It took fines, penalties, bells, schooling, workshop clerks and preaching to affect new practices of work life separated from the usual everyday social life (sleeping, chatting, family time). Industrial capitalism required workers to remain attentive, efficient and committed at the shop floor. In the case of colonial Bombay, the capitalist employers’ project was especially incoherent. They did not demarcate the clear boundaries of work and leisure. It was workers who demanded a fixed and timed notion of work.
https://aeon.co/essays/night-school-and-the-dreams-of-bombays-factory-workers
In the night schools of Bombay, factory workers dreamed that literacy and learning would raise them to respectability
Do nights have a history to tell? How would the history of the working-class nights look? This question drove me to research the lives of the 19th-century labouring poor in colonial India. Following the French philosopher Jacques Rancière’s Proletarian Nights: The Workers’ Dream in Nineteenth-Century France (1981), I wanted to know what the 19th-century labouring poor, especially the cotton textile mill workers of Bombay who worked for 13 or 14 hours a day, did at night. Did they just go to bed or did they socialise with friends, roaming the streets of the city?
We know a lot about the daytime lives of workers. Historians of capitalism, slavery, labour and commodities have favoured the daytime. But that’s only half the story – the other half of our lives is spent at night. Nights are critical to the history of capitalism and labour: control over the night-time was a political act for workers. It asserted their dignity as independent beings. Night was where workers dreamed and pursued their own visions, both together and as individuals.
During the 17th century, the meanings of the night and nightlife in Europe fundamentally changed. In the move towards industrialisation, the night generated new notions and practices of religious experience, a new kind of crime world, as well as new public and private spaces, court culture, witchcraft trials, regulation and policing (through street lights). In Evenings’s Empire (2012), the historian Craig Koslofsky calls it the colonisation of the night: the way urban people slept, socialised and worked radically changed from the early modern period. Artificial lights stretched the daytime realm into the night. Many activities that required light were now possible after dark too. Rural people continued to sleep as humans long had, where the evening slumber is divided in two. But urban people shifted to a single sleep of seven to eight hours. A greater demarcation developed between the day and the night, especially in cities. Night stood for repose, and day for labour. This was not the case before industrialisation. In craft and artisanal work, people had task- or nature-oriented notions of time.
Disciplined industrial capitalism reversed time and work, and people had to master timed notions of work and life, as the British historian E P Thompson showed in 1967. Clocks and timekeeping proliferated and acquired new authority. It took fines, penalties, bells, schooling, workshop clerks and preaching to affect new practices of work life separated from the usual everyday social life (sleeping, chatting, family time). Industrial capitalism required workers to remain attentive, efficient and committed at the shop floor. In the case of colonial Bombay, the capitalist employers’ project was especially incoherent. They did not demarcate the clear boundaries of work and leisure. It was workers who demanded a fixed and timed notion of work.
https://aeon.co/essays/night-school-and-the-dreams-of-bombays-factory-workers
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kad si gladan baš ćeš ić danima razmišljati da li je kečap ili je smoothie i ima li logike u svemu tome a tebi kruli u želudcu gladan si. zaključak: filozofi imaju pun kurac slobodnog vremena i stalno su siti i napojeni pa mogu wondering o blesavim pitanjima koja nemaju nikakvu svrhu nego da filozofi ubiju vrijeme i dosadu.
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Kako znas? Jesi li razmisljao o tome, odnosno bavio se analizom cinjenica i iskustva, tj., znanja i mudrosti, tj., bavio se filozofijom? :)
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Gnječ wrote:
kad si gladan baš ćeš ić danima razmišljati da li je kečap ili je smoothie i ima li logike u svemu tome a tebi kruli u želudcu gladan si. zaključak: filozofi imaju pun kurac slobodnog vremena i stalno su siti i napojeni pa mogu wondering o blesavim pitanjima koja nemaju nikakvu svrhu nego da filozofi ubiju vrijeme i dosadu.
How to strawman philosophy by Gnjec :)
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Gnječ wrote:
kad si gladan baš ćeš ić danima razmišljati da li je kečap ili je smoothie i ima li logike u svemu tome a tebi kruli u želudcu gladan si. zaključak: filozofi imaju pun kurac slobodnog vremena i stalno su siti i napojeni pa mogu wondering o blesavim pitanjima koja nemaju nikakvu svrhu nego da filozofi ubiju vrijeme i dosadu.
A eto, vec par sati bavis se blesavim pitanjima. Bit ce da ubijas vrijeme i dosadu. Bit ce da si filozof koji svira q-rcu. :)
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Kako znas? Jesi li razmisljao o tome, odnosno bavio se analizom cinjenica i iskustva, tj., znanja i mudrosti, tj., bavio se filozofijom? :)
napisah u jednom prijašnjem postu da su si određena grupa kasta ljudi uzeli za pravo da sebe nazovu filozofima i patentirali su racionalno razmišljanje što je svim ljudima urođeno nitko nema pravo prisvajati tj patentirati staviti copyright na racionalno razmišljanje. to je problem na kojeg upirem prstom. svi ljudi više manje razmišljaju a pošto razmišljaju su filozofi u nekoj mjeri a riječ filozofija je trademark određene skupine mlatimudana iz drevne Grčke. možda i prije ne zanima me. razmišljanje i filozofiranje su sinonimi jedino filozofiranje ima negativnu konotaciju. primjer. treba iskopat kanal ti sjediš gledaš u kramp i šutiš. dođe rođo i pita te jel rođo šta radiš bogati? filozofiram. hmmm... ne valja odmah otkaz slijedi. da kažeš razmišljam onda slijedi pitanje a očemu razmišljaš rođo led te jebo? pa oću li počet kopat oduda ili ovuda...pa zašto bogati kakve veze ima? onda ti kažeš pa ima jer ispod idu neke cijevi za vodu i kablovi za struju. eto. problem riješen. a kad kažeš filozofiram onda sve to dobiva neku metafizičku dimenziju. kramp više nije kramp nego sprava za mučenje.
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violator wrote:Gnječ wrote:
kad si gladan baš ćeš ić danima razmišljati da li je kečap ili je smoothie i ima li logike u svemu tome a tebi kruli u želudcu gladan si. zaključak: filozofi imaju pun kurac slobodnog vremena i stalno su siti i napojeni pa mogu wondering o blesavim pitanjima koja nemaju nikakvu svrhu nego da filozofi ubiju vrijeme i dosadu.
A eto, vec par sati bavis se blesavim pitanjima. Bit ce da ubijas vrijeme i dosadu. Bit ce da si filozof koji svira q-rcu. :)
i tih par sati je previše. skužih da je filozofija postala neka vrsta ateističke religije. but i'm a thinker not a philosopher. thinker bi bila neka evoluirana vrsta filozofa. izgleda isto ali nije razlika je drastična.
A modern day philosopher is called a thinker. In earlier ages, when science was not defined specifically, reasoning was done by people who were then labelled philosophers. A philosopher looks into everything around him and thinks deeply about it to know more about himself. A thinker tries to reason everything.
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On the indecency of his masturbating in public he would say, "If only it were as easy to banish hunger by rubbing my belly."
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night sky wrote:kic wrote:night sky wrote:kic wrote:
stvarno mi je smijesno gledati komentar dogadjaja prije nego sto se pogleda sam dogadjaj, kao da prvo trazimo sta cemo misliti o necem, pa tek onda idemo se zapravo upoznati s tim.. strah od vlastitog suda?
???? ako su aitori nepoznati naravno da je smijesno.... zna se sto se moze ocekivati, zizek pojefe petersona u jednom zalogaju,puno mocnij u argumentaciji....peyetson voli igre,mastovit ali se izgubi....kao aben, mozda mu je i fizicki slican, glasic etc....
zasto bi bilo neobicno cuti st9 drugi misle? prije ili poslije....sve su to samo informacije jer ni zizek ni peyerson nisu svete krave o cijim stavovima ovisi zivot,bili ciji....bar se nadam.....
.. strah? a mozda se bojis da ce necije misljenje utjecati na tvoje?......
prvi pasus ti je vise za ulice, osjecam neku ljutnju tvoju spram mene, jel Neptun izasao iz kuce?
svejedno mi je smijesno i mislim da je to kriv nacin i da bi trebali otvoreno i istrazivacki nastupiti prema samom kanonu materije ako nas zanima, u protivnom ispada kao da trazimo argumente koje cemo upotrijebiti i osluskujemo bilo vecine, a kako je mozda divno otvoreno pristupiti necemu i mozda biti iznenadjen? cinjenicom da se slazes s necim kad cujes i povezes neke stvari..
naravno da Zizek jede svakog, to me podjeca na one neke teme na starom forumu kad su dolazili pisati kak je filozofija pricanje u prazno, a iskusniji su odgovorali da je bas i dosao na njiovo podrucje i da s takvom argumentom u startu gubi..
Zizek moze pricati mjesec dana bez prestanka, obrazovan je i dobar dio ce zvucati smisleno.. ali u startu je stao na krivu stranu
doista?..... a ja crtu izivljsvanja na mativkin post.....
.....zena je lijpo rekla da nema vremena ali da ju je znatizelja natjerala da virne,sto drugi misle, nista neuobicajno, htjela se javiti,pitati da li je netko pratio,iskomentrao.... pa ako je moja reakcija s ulice tvoja je onda brdanska.... hepi?..... i jos s dodstkom neptuna.... fakat si komican....
naravno, KAD se posveti temi,i ako odprati podugacku debatu......do tada ima informaciju,samo informaciju na temelju onogavsto vec zna o njima i komentare drugih....i to joj je dovoljno,moze mozgati dok recka sunkicu ili farba jaja :D........
sto nas vraca na.....da li se bojis da ce necije misljenje poljuljati, promijeniti tvoje? ...... ili , kako ti to mislis funkcionirati kad smo svakodnevno zatrpani svakojakim informacijama, oglusimmo se snagom volje ili nosimo cepove za usi.....?
ja se mativki uopce nisam obratio, vec sama naglas napisao sto mislim o takvom pristupu uopceno, nisam je ni citirao nit joj se obratio, vec rekao da mi je to divertente..
ima vremena - nema vremena, izgleda da ima.. no dobro
ja jesam brdjanin hvala, bas sam se vratio s izvora Zrmanje, krasan kraj, kazu da se tu i Winnetou snimao.. osjeca se divljina..
sve u svemu, bolje je nekad slusati potok i gledati u nebo nego slusati debatere satima ili njihove recenzente ili stavec ..
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a gle ovog klerofašističkog psihopatskog bolida filozofa sofistu:
Kardinal Bozanić: Potrebna nam je snaga uskrsne odlučnosti
Potrebna nam je snaga uskrsne odlučnosti? kaj to znači koji kurac? snaga i uskrsna odlučnost?
kako to izgleda biti uskrsno odlučan a Bozaniću? jebotebog!
SPOMENUO I RADNIKE ULJANIKA
holy shit!
U homiliji se kardinal Bozanić osvrnuo na radnike brodogradilišta u Puli i Rijeci rekavši kako mnogi "vapaji govore o tome da radnici ondje mjesecima dolaze na posao, a ne dobivaju nikakvu plaću i to u dijelovima domovine za koje sa kaže da su najrazvijeniji".
"Kako je to moguće? Sigurno da o tome znaju ljudi iz politike, kako iz lokalne tako i one najviše. Moguće je da se trebaju rješavati problemi koji su se dugo skrivali pod tepih zbog interesa moćnika, no u takvim igrama i računicama na kraju strada mali čovjek", rekao je Bozanić te pozvao odgovorne da u rješavanju nelakih zadataka ne izgube iz vida malog čovjeka koji nije zaštićen.
"Molimo za njih, za odgovornost i hrabrost i da se izvrši operacija gdje je nešto bolesno i da se uvijek ima u vidu malog čovjek koji je često najmanje kriv za naneseno zlo. Molimo za mudrost koja će uvijek imati u vidu dobro Hrvatske i hrvatskog društva, za uskrsnu radost i mudrost za sve obitelji, djecu mlade" , rekao je Bozanić.
https://www.glasistre.hr/hrvatska/kardinal-bozanic-potrebna-nam-je-snaga-uskrsne-odlucnosti-586387
ISUSE, rođo, jel ti čitaš ovog tvog debila bolida? daj ga zgromi više jebotebog napravi nešto daj da ga ubije raspelo nek mu zvono padne na glavu, postavi mu koru od banane nek se posklizne i ode u tri pičke materine jebo mu pas mater hrvatsku.
Kardinal Bozanić: Potrebna nam je snaga uskrsne odlučnosti
Potrebna nam je snaga uskrsne odlučnosti? kaj to znači koji kurac? snaga i uskrsna odlučnost?
kako to izgleda biti uskrsno odlučan a Bozaniću? jebotebog!
SPOMENUO I RADNIKE ULJANIKA
holy shit!
U homiliji se kardinal Bozanić osvrnuo na radnike brodogradilišta u Puli i Rijeci rekavši kako mnogi "vapaji govore o tome da radnici ondje mjesecima dolaze na posao, a ne dobivaju nikakvu plaću i to u dijelovima domovine za koje sa kaže da su najrazvijeniji".
"Kako je to moguće? Sigurno da o tome znaju ljudi iz politike, kako iz lokalne tako i one najviše. Moguće je da se trebaju rješavati problemi koji su se dugo skrivali pod tepih zbog interesa moćnika, no u takvim igrama i računicama na kraju strada mali čovjek", rekao je Bozanić te pozvao odgovorne da u rješavanju nelakih zadataka ne izgube iz vida malog čovjeka koji nije zaštićen.
"Molimo za njih, za odgovornost i hrabrost i da se izvrši operacija gdje je nešto bolesno i da se uvijek ima u vidu malog čovjek koji je često najmanje kriv za naneseno zlo. Molimo za mudrost koja će uvijek imati u vidu dobro Hrvatske i hrvatskog društva, za uskrsnu radost i mudrost za sve obitelji, djecu mlade" , rekao je Bozanić.
https://www.glasistre.hr/hrvatska/kardinal-bozanic-potrebna-nam-je-snaga-uskrsne-odlucnosti-586387
ISUSE, rođo, jel ti čitaš ovog tvog debila bolida? daj ga zgromi više jebotebog napravi nešto daj da ga ubije raspelo nek mu zvono padne na glavu, postavi mu koru od banane nek se posklizne i ode u tri pičke materine jebo mu pas mater hrvatsku.
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koga više volite? bozanića psihopatu i njegovu sotonsku ustaško klerofašističku crkvu ili ove anarhističke časne sestre:
The Beguines /bəˈɡiːnz/ and the Beghards /bəˈɡɑːrdz/ were Christian lay religious orders that were active in Northern Europe, particularly in the Low Countries in the 13th–16th centuries. Their members lived in semi-monastic communities but did not take formal religious vows.
https://www.sistersofcbd.com
The Beguines /bəˈɡiːnz/ and the Beghards /bəˈɡɑːrdz/ were Christian lay religious orders that were active in Northern Europe, particularly in the Low Countries in the 13th–16th centuries. Their members lived in semi-monastic communities but did not take formal religious vows.
https://www.sistersofcbd.com
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i live right next to chilbolton radio telescope and have also flown my drone over it many times....you can no longer see this crop circle .but we have a lot of crop circles that appear around here.i filmed a few last year with my drone...some in the middle of nowhere away from the public eye...if it were a hoax why do it where no one will see.i only saw it cos my drone picked it up 400 feet in the air.....makes you think
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i tih par sati je previše. skužih da je filozofija postala neka vrsta ateističke religije. but i'm a thinker not a philosopher. thinker bi bila neka evoluirana vrsta filozofa. izgleda isto ali nije razlika je drastična.
Nije nikakav a kamoli posebnog značaja vrijedan pothvat imati mišljenje o bilo čemu, jer mišljenje ionako svi imaju. Da sad ne navodim sočniju verziju te spoznaje.
Thinker nije nikakva evoluirana vrsta filozofa. Razliku sam, ako ona postoji, već naveo ranije.
Thinker može biti i običan sofist, a punokrvni filozof se mora držati kako barem onih dobro poznatih (notornih) činjenica tako i ograda logike, inače se ne može smatrati i nema (ga se) pravo nazivati punokrvnim filozofom.
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