Nema, nije bilo, niti će biti sile sposobne pokoriti naš narod

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

pismejker wrote:Bas se mislim,nes o onoj izreci..Lakse je uci u Rusiju kao neprijatelj,nego izici.. :cleanteeth:nepregledna sibirska podrucja..divljina,vukovi,medjedi,zima..nema tu da netko prezivi...

Pinochet wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

kako sam rekao u WW2, čak i onako polu-okupirana imal je industrijsku proizvodnju na razini Nazi Njemačke.

Današnja Putinova Rusija, nije Merkelovoj Njemačkoj doslovno do koljena. Toliko o tome da je Njemačka "uništena u WW2" :D .. da Angela Merkel ne trpa Njemačku i Europu kozojebima, praktički bi bila najmoćnija osobna na planeti

pismejker wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

ajd ajd,,mozes ti i bolje...

pismejker wrote:

Pinochet wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

kako sam rekao u WW2, čak i onako polu-okupirana imal je industrijsku proizvodnju na razini Nazi Njemačke.

Današnja Putinova Rusija, nije Merkelovoj Njemačkoj doslovno do koljena. Toliko o tome da je Njemačka "uništena u WW2" :D .. da Angela Merkel ne trpa Njemačku i Europu kozojebima, praktički bi bila najmoćnija osobna na planeti

Koju industrijsku proizvodnju?? Jebote,pa bili su zaostali kao tunguzija naspram njemacke..STO su proizvodili..masovno se oruzje pocelo sthantzati,tek kad je svapska armada bila duboko u Rusiji..Masovno se slalo pjesadiju na svabe,koja je ginula kao snoplje,samo da sto vise uspore Svabe,dok se ne pokrene industrija vojne opreme,i sveg prateceg..na nivou Svabije..ma da..

crvenkasti wrote:Rusija se odrekla golemih teritorija u zamjenu da Zapad prizna boljševike i Lenjina za legitimne predstavnike. Rusija je prije toga obuhvaćala i Poljsku i Finsku itd. O Ukrajini, Bjelorusiji itd nije bilo ni govora.

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:Bas se mislim,nes o onoj izreci..Lakse je uci u Rusiju kao neprijatelj,nego izici.. :cleanteeth:nepregledna sibirska podrucja..divljina,vukovi,medjedi,zima..nema tu da netko prezivi...

Lako za vukove i medvjede, oni nisu u stanju pružiti neki zamjetniji oružani otpor potencijalnom agresoru na Rusiju.
No, izreka je točna i ukazuje na suštinu problema.
Dok je ruski narod i moguće pokoriti, zemlju baš i nije. Prije svega zbog njene veličine, ali također i vrlo surove klime.
Što se tiče Sibira, ni Hitler, a posebno Napoleon ga nisu ni primirisali.

Pinochet wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Pinochet wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

pismejker wrote:a Rusi,uglavnom poljoprivreda,stoka,i tako..industrijski slabi..

kako sam rekao u WW2, čak i onako polu-okupirana imal je industrijsku proizvodnju na razini Nazi Njemačke.

Današnja Putinova Rusija, nije Merkelovoj Njemačkoj doslovno do koljena. Toliko o tome da je Njemačka "uništena u WW2" :D .. da Angela Merkel ne trpa Njemačku i Europu kozojebima, praktički bi bila najmoćnija osobna na planeti

Koju industrijsku proizvodnju?? Jebote,pa bili su zaostali kao tunguzija naspram njemacke..STO su proizvodili..masovno se oruzje pocelo sthantzati,tek kad je svapska armada bila duboko u Rusiji..Masovno se slalo pjesadiju na svabe,koja je ginula kao snoplje,samo da sto vise uspore Svabe,dok se ne pokrene industrija vojne opreme,i sveg prateceg..na nivou Svabije..ma da..

čekaj da ti nađem podatke..

inače ovako iz glave.. kada je Hitler napao SSSR. Hitler je napao sa 3000 tenkova.. a pazi ovo - Rusija je imala - 20 000 tenkova. Imali su čak više vojnika nego Njemačka(Njemci oko 3milijuna, Staljin oko 4-5milijuna na zapadnoj fronti). Po broji aviona mislim da je bilo isto. 

Inače Hitler je bio luđak što je napao SSSR, ali je računao(bio je u pravu) da je ta ogroman vojska kao krdo-ovaca jer je Staljin pobio sve generale(inače Crvena Armija je isto teoretski razvila taktiku Blitzkriega , Njemci su učili od Rusa(bili su saveznici čak i u 20tim godinama)

imaš na wikipediji sve

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Pinochet wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Pinochet wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

kako sam rekao u WW2, čak i onako polu-okupirana imal je industrijsku proizvodnju na razini Nazi Njemačke.

Današnja Putinova Rusija, nije Merkelovoj Njemačkoj doslovno do koljena. Toliko o tome da je Njemačka "uništena u WW2" :D .. da Angela Merkel ne trpa Njemačku i Europu kozojebima, praktički bi bila najmoćnija osobna na planeti

Koju industrijsku proizvodnju?? Jebote,pa bili su zaostali kao tunguzija naspram njemacke..STO su proizvodili..masovno se oruzje pocelo sthantzati,tek kad je svapska armada bila duboko u Rusiji..Masovno se slalo pjesadiju na svabe,koja je ginula kao snoplje,samo da sto vise uspore Svabe,dok se ne pokrene industrija vojne opreme,i sveg prateceg..na nivou Svabije..ma da..

čekaj da ti nađem podatke..

inače ovako iz glave.. kada je Hitler napao SSSR. Hitler je napao sa 3000 tenkova.. a pazi ovo - Rusija je imala - 20 000 tenkova. Imali su čak više vojnika nego Njemačka(Njemci oko 3milijuna, Staljin oko 4-5milijuna na zapadnoj fronti). Po broji aviona mislim da je bilo isto. 

Inače Hitler je bio luđak što je napao SSSR, ali je računao(bio je u pravu) da je ta ogroman vojska kao krdo-ovaca jer je Staljin pobio sve generale(inače Crvena Armija je isto teoretski razvila taktiku Blitzkriega , Njemci su učili od Rusa(bili su saveznici čak i u 20tim godinama)

imaš na wikipediji sve

ovo boldano..odakle ti to??Iz dupeta??..pa da su imali toliko tenkova,i ostalog,pa jel bi bilo 10 000 000 mrtvih Rusa.jeboga mish??

Pinochet wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Pinochet wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Pinochet wrote:
kako sam rekao u WW2, čak i onako polu-okupirana imal je industrijsku proizvodnju na razini Nazi Njemačke.

Današnja Putinova Rusija, nije Merkelovoj Njemačkoj doslovno do koljena. Toliko o tome da je Njemačka "uništena u WW2" :D .. da Angela Merkel ne trpa Njemačku i Europu kozojebima, praktički bi bila najmoćnija osobna na planeti

Koju industrijsku proizvodnju?? Jebote,pa bili su zaostali kao tunguzija naspram njemacke..STO su proizvodili..masovno se oruzje pocelo sthantzati,tek kad je svapska armada bila duboko u Rusiji..Masovno se slalo pjesadiju na svabe,koja je ginula kao snoplje,samo da sto vise uspore Svabe,dok se ne pokrene industrija vojne opreme,i sveg prateceg..na nivou Svabije..ma da..

čekaj da ti nađem podatke..

inače ovako iz glave.. kada je Hitler napao SSSR. Hitler je napao sa 3000 tenkova.. a pazi ovo - Rusija je imala - 20 000 tenkova. Imali su čak više vojnika nego Njemačka(Njemci oko 3milijuna, Staljin oko 4-5milijuna na zapadnoj fronti). Po broji aviona mislim da je bilo isto. 

Inače Hitler je bio luđak što je napao SSSR, ali je računao(bio je u pravu) da je ta ogroman vojska kao krdo-ovaca jer je Staljin pobio sve generale(inače Crvena Armija je isto teoretski razvila taktiku Blitzkriega , Njemci su učili od Rusa(bili su saveznici čak i u 20tim godinama)

imaš na wikipediji sve

ovo boldano..odakle ti to??Iz dupeta??..pa da su imali toliko tenkova,i ostalog,pa jel bi bilo 10 000 000 mrtvih Rusa.jeboga mish??

eno ti link na wikipediji

evo još jedan izvor, sa wikipedije, oni citiraju ruskog povjesničara, ukupna snaga crvne armije uoči njemačkog napada(sa naglaskom da vjeorjatno nije baš sva vojska bila protiv švaba, dio je čuvao moskvu i istok rusije itd)

pismejker wrote:sorry Yoda,



[size=15]Paul Richard Huard

September 20, 2015

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On June 22, 1941, Nazi German launched Operation Barbarossa, a massive attack on the Soviet Union that was the largest invasion in history.
More than three million German soldiers, 150 divisions and 3,000 tanks comprised three mammoth army groups that created a front more than 1,800 miles long.

The Germans expected to face an inferior enemy. Giddy from victories in Poland and France, Hitler and many in his military high command believed it was the destiny of Germany to invade Russia. “The end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state,” Hitler announced in his manifesto Mein Kampf.
For months Germans won victory after resounding victory. But then the attack stalled—and the appearance of a new Soviet tank stunned the Wehrmacht.
It was the T-34. The new armored vehicle had an excellent 76-millimeter gun and thick sloped armor and cruised at more than 35 miles per hour. It possessed many advanced design features for the time—and it could blow German Panzers to Hell.
The T-34 had its problems—something we often forget when discussing a tank with a legendary reputation. The shortfalls included bad visibility for the crew and shoddy Soviet workmanship.

“They were good, but they were not miracle weapons and they had their faults,” writes Philip Kaplan in Rolling Thunder: A Century of Tank Warfare. “But the T-34, for all its faults, is now often referred to by tank experts and historians as possibly the best tank of the war.”
World War II German Field Marshall Ewald Von Kleist was more succinct. “The finest tank in the world,” is how he described the T-34.
The origins of the T-34 are simple enough. The Red Army sought a replacement for the BT-7 cavalry tank, which was fast-moving and lightly armored for use in maneuver warfare. It also had Christie suspension, one reason for the tank’s increased speed.
But during a 1938-to-1939 border war with Japan, the BT-7 fared poorly. Even with a low-powered gun, Japanese Type 95 tanks easily destroyed the BT-7s. Tank attack crews also assaulted the BT-7s with Molotov cocktails, reducing the Soviet tank to a flaming wreck when ignited gasoline dripped through chinks between poorly welded armor into the tank’s engine compartment.
The T-34 was the solution. It kept the Christie suspension, replaced the gasoline engine with a V-2 34 V12 diesel power plant and offered the crew speeds that were 10 miles per hour faster than the German Panzer III or Panzer IV.
Furthermore, the T-34’s high-velocity gun was capable of killing any tank in the world at the time.
“In 1941 when Hitler launched Barbarossa, the tank was indisputably the best in the world,” Jason Belcourt, a veteran of the U.S. Army who served in the armor branch, told War Is Boring. “The combination of sloped armor, big gun, good speed and good maneuverability was so much better than anything the Germans had on tracks.”
By mid-1941, the USSR had more than 22,000 tanks—more tanks than all the armies of the world combined, and four times the number of tanks in the German arsenal.
By the end of the war, the Soviet Union had produced nearly 60,000 T-34 tanks—proving the point that quantity does have a quality all of its own.
At first, the Germans were at a loss when it came to countering the threat the T-34 posed. The Germans’ standard anti-tank guns, the 37-millimeter Kwk36 and the 50-millimeter Kwk 38, couldn’t put a dent in the Soviet tank with a shot to its front.
That left the Germans with a limited set of tactics. German tankers could attempt flank shots with their guns. The Wehrmacht could lay mines. Soldiers risked their lives in close assaults employing satchel charges and Molotov cocktails.
In what could be called an act of desperation, the Germans even used modified 88-millimeter anti-aircraft guns to stop attacking T-34s with direct fire.
But the Russians never had enough trained crews for the tanks the Red Army fielded. The Soviets wasted the T-34 and its crews in vast numbers.
By the time the Soviets trained enough crews to man the T-34s, the Germans had tanks with high-velocity guns and better anti-tank weapons like the Panzerfaust, a recoilless anti-tank weapon with a high-explosive warhead.
But the Russians always had more T-34s than the Germans had Panzers or Tigers.
“Where the tank was decisive was in the battle of production,” Belcourt said. “From June 1941 until the end of the war, the Soviets were always producing a tank that was often good and never worse than adequate.”
The final verdict on the T-34 perhaps is less glowing than the legend that the Soviets weaved around the tank—but is still complimentary. The T-34 tipped the balance in favor of the USSR when it came to armored battle; mass production of the tank outmatched anything the Germans could do when it came to manufacturing.
The T-34 in the hands of determined Soviet tankers routed the Germans at Kursk, the greatest tank battle of all time.
The T-34 was “undeniably revolutionary, but it was not the first in anything except how to combine thick sloped armor with a diesel engine, wide tracks and a big, relatively powerful gun,” Belcourt said. “They had all been done before, but never together.”
This piece first appeared in WarIsBoring here. [/size]

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pismejker wrote:sorry Yoda,



[size=15]Paul Richard Huard

September 20, 2015

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On June 22, 1941, Nazi German launched Operation Barbarossa, a massive attack on the Soviet Union that was the largest invasion in history.
More than three million German soldiers, 150 divisions and 3,000 tanks comprised three mammoth army groups that created a front more than 1,800 miles long.

The Germans expected to face an inferior enemy. Giddy from victories in Poland and France, Hitler and many in his military high command believed it was the destiny of Germany to invade Russia. “The end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state,” Hitler announced in his manifesto Mein Kampf.
For months Germans won victory after resounding victory. But then the attack stalled—and the appearance of a new Soviet tank stunned the Wehrmacht.
It was the T-34. The new armored vehicle had an excellent 76-millimeter gun and thick sloped armor and cruised at more than 35 miles per hour. It possessed many advanced design features for the time—and it could blow German Panzers to Hell.
The T-34 had its problems—something we often forget when discussing a tank with a legendary reputation. The shortfalls included bad visibility for the crew and shoddy Soviet workmanship.

“They were good, but they were not miracle weapons and they had their faults,” writes Philip Kaplan in Rolling Thunder: A Century of Tank Warfare. “But the T-34, for all its faults, is now often referred to by tank experts and historians as possibly the best tank of the war.”
World War II German Field Marshall Ewald Von Kleist was more succinct. “The finest tank in the world,” is how he described the T-34.
The origins of the T-34 are simple enough. The Red Army sought a replacement for the BT-7 cavalry tank, which was fast-moving and lightly armored for use in maneuver warfare. It also had Christie suspension, one reason for the tank’s increased speed.
But during a 1938-to-1939 border war with Japan, the BT-7 fared poorly. Even with a low-powered gun, Japanese Type 95 tanks easily destroyed the BT-7s. Tank attack crews also assaulted the BT-7s with Molotov cocktails, reducing the Soviet tank to a flaming wreck when ignited gasoline dripped through chinks between poorly welded armor into the tank’s engine compartment.
The T-34 was the solution. It kept the Christie suspension, replaced the gasoline engine with a V-2 34 V12 diesel power plant and offered the crew speeds that were 10 miles per hour faster than the German Panzer III or Panzer IV.
Furthermore, the T-34’s high-velocity gun was capable of killing any tank in the world at the time.
“In 1941 when Hitler launched Barbarossa, the tank was indisputably the best in the world,” Jason Belcourt, a veteran of the U.S. Army who served in the armor branch, told War Is Boring. “The combination of sloped armor, big gun, good speed and good maneuverability was so much better than anything the Germans had on tracks.”
By mid-1941, the USSR had more than 22,000 tanks—more tanks than all the armies of the world combined, and four times the number of tanks in the German arsenal.
By the end of the war, the Soviet Union had produced nearly 60,000 T-34 tanks—proving the point that quantity does have a quality all of its own.
At first, the Germans were at a loss when it came to countering the threat the T-34 posed. The Germans’ standard anti-tank guns, the 37-millimeter Kwk36 and the 50-millimeter Kwk 38, couldn’t put a dent in the Soviet tank with a shot to its front.
That left the Germans with a limited set of tactics. German tankers could attempt flank shots with their guns. The Wehrmacht could lay mines. Soldiers risked their lives in close assaults employing satchel charges and Molotov cocktails.
In what could be called an act of desperation, the Germans even used modified 88-millimeter anti-aircraft guns to stop attacking T-34s with direct fire.
But the Russians never had enough trained crews for the tanks the Red Army fielded. The Soviets wasted the T-34 and its crews in vast numbers.
By the time the Soviets trained enough crews to man the T-34s, the Germans had tanks with high-velocity guns and better anti-tank weapons like the Panzerfaust, a recoilless anti-tank weapon with a high-explosive warhead.
But the Russians always had more T-34s than the Germans had Panzers or Tigers.
“Where the tank was decisive was in the battle of production,” Belcourt said. “From June 1941 until the end of the war, the Soviets were always producing a tank that was often good and never worse than adequate.”
The final verdict on the T-34 perhaps is less glowing than the legend that the Soviets weaved around the tank—but is still complimentary. The T-34 tipped the balance in favor of the USSR when it came to armored battle; mass production of the tank outmatched anything the Germans could do when it came to manufacturing.
The T-34 in the hands of determined Soviet tankers routed the Germans at Kursk, the greatest tank battle of all time.
The T-34 was “undeniably revolutionary, but it was not the first in anything except how to combine thick sloped armor with a diesel engine, wide tracks and a big, relatively powerful gun,” Belcourt said. “They had all been done before, but never together.”
This piece first appeared in WarIsBoring here. [/size]

eto i tu ti piše, 20 000 tenkova.. šta sorry, potvrđuješ što sam napisao :D 

meni je jebeniji onaj Ruski teški tenk Kv-1... jedan tenk sam, pazi jedan jedini KV-1 je na jednom mjestu uništio 30njemačkih tenkova :D :D i ovi morali uteć jer ga nisu mogli uništitit, sve se granate odbijale.. švabe bile u šoku.. i to 41godine