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svijet troši 32 milijarde barela godišnje, amerika 7. Novootkrivena nalazišta su teksas 20 milijardi barela i aljaska 6 milijardi

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svijet troši 32 milijarde barela godišnje, amerika 7. Novootkrivena nalazišta su teksas 20 milijardi barela i aljaska 6 milijardi

pa dobro, kako onda izvodiš zaključke da je znanost pogriješila

bogomdani wrote:Cisto da se odrzi cijena...nafte ima u MP6..jednom je cijela planeta bujala biologijom,koja sad formira naftni sloj..drugi je par rukava sto je motor sa u sagorijevanjem zastario tehnoloski..cuj,..gori vatra on Ide..

marcellus wrote:

bogomdani wrote:Cisto da se odrzi cijena...nafte ima u MP6..jednom je cijela planeta bujala biologijom,koja sad formira naftni sloj..drugi je par rukava sto je motor sa u sagorijevanjem zastario tehnoloski..cuj,..gori vatra on Ide..

a čuj struja je neka budućnost al i ona se uglavnom dobiva iz ugljena i nafte.

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marcellus wrote:
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svijet troši 32 milijarde barela godišnje, amerika 7. Novootkrivena nalazišta su teksas 20 milijardi barela i aljaska 6 milijardi

pa dobro, kako onda izvodiš zaključke da je znanost pogriješila

pa zaključci rimskog kluba 70. su bili da će nafte nestati najkasnije do 2000-2010.

Sad je 2016.

potrošnja nafte se od onda udvostručila

a prema podacima UN uz današnju potrošnju nafte ima za idućih 70 godina iz do sad otkrivenih nalazišta, i stalno se otkrivaju nova.

https://www.manicore.com/anglais/documentation_a/club_rome_a.html

The Meadows & al. report is probably, just like the IPCC report on climate change today, among these documents that 99% of the people that quote them never read, given the quantity of conclusions supposedly included in this paper that are not found once it is read. For example, it is frequent to hear (at least in France) that the Club of Rome (actually the Meadows team) had "predicted" the end of oil for 2000, which obviously did not happen, and hence that it is urgent not to pay any attention whatsoever to this prospective work, that can only derive from the fantasies of some individuals terrorized by the future. But there is no such prediction of an oil shortage for 2000 in the Meadows report !

There is, page 174 of the french translation, a table showing that the known oil reserves, in 1970, represented 30 years of consumption (without taking the annual growth in consideration). But it was not a "forecast", allowing to conclude that oil would be definitely exhausted in 2000, just a reminder of the knowledge at the time regarding natural resources ! May we say today that oil companies "foresee" the end of oil for 2040, because the reserves they declared in 2000 represent 40 times the annual consumption of 2002 ?

Actually, not only did this report never foresee the end of oil for 2000, but it didn't foresee anything else in a precise way. Its sole strong conclusion is that perpetual material growth will lead sooner or later to a "collapse" of the world that we live in, and that, even with very optimistic hypothesis regarding the development of efficient technologies to come, the ability to recycle or to save natural resources, the mitigation of pollution, or the initial stock of non renewable resources that we begin with (the high end of the bracket for the initial stock of non renewable resources was 5 times the known reserves in 1970, and, for oil, that leads to higher reserves in 2000 than what we really have today, given what we have consumed meanwhile; I checked !), this collapse will happen before 2100.

By "collapse", one should not understand the end of humanity, but a sharp decrease of the population, along with a significant degradation of the living conditions (decrease of the industrial output per capita, of the food output per capita, etc) for the surviving fraction. Anybody who is willing to put forward the "report to the Club of Rome" to justify the blindness of its authors will have to wait until 2100 to be able to do so !

http://www.greatchange.org/ov-simmons,club_of_rome_revisted.html

WHAT THE LIMITS TO GROWTH ACTUALLY SAID

After reading The Limits to Growth, I was amazed. Nowhere in the book was there any mention about running out of anything by 2000. Instead, the book's concern was entirely focused on what the world might look like 100 years later. There was not one sentence or even a single word written about an oil shortage, or limit to any specific resource, by the year 2000.

marcellus wrote:
pa zaključci rimskog kluba 70. su bili da će nafte nestati najkasnije do 2000-2010.
Sad je 2016.
potrošnja nafte se od onda udvostručila
a prema podacima UN uz današnju potrošnju nafte ima za idućih 70 godina iz do sad otkrivenih nalazišta, i stalno se otkrivaju nova.

bogomdani wrote:

marcellus wrote:

bogomdani wrote:Cisto da se odrzi cijena...nafte ima u MP6..jednom je cijela planeta bujala biologijom,koja sad formira naftni sloj..drugi je par rukava sto je motor sa u sagorijevanjem zastario tehnoloski..cuj,..gori vatra on Ide..

a čuj struja je neka budućnost al i ona se uglavnom dobiva iz ugljena i nafte.

struja bas i nije neki reprezentativna pogonsa tvar..zamisli slepere koji slepaju 30-40 tona necega,cestom...koje to baterije mogu vuci...??

dakle,struju,osim za laku namjenu treba zaboraviti,da ce zamjeniti brutalne dizel i naftne motore..treba nes trece smisliti,novu tehnologiju,a posto nafte ima i previse,polako bez stresa...

marcellus wrote:

bogomdani wrote:

marcellus wrote:

bogomdani wrote:Cisto da se odrzi cijena...nafte ima u MP6..jednom je cijela planeta bujala biologijom,koja sad formira naftni sloj..drugi je par rukava sto je motor sa u sagorijevanjem zastario tehnoloski..cuj,..gori vatra on Ide..

a čuj struja je neka budućnost al i ona se uglavnom dobiva iz ugljena i nafte.

struja bas i nije neki reprezentativna pogonsa tvar..zamisli slepere koji slepaju 30-40 tona necega,cestom...koje to baterije mogu vuci...??

dakle,struju,osim za laku namjenu treba zaboraviti,da ce zamjeniti brutalne dizel i naftne motore..treba nes trece smisliti,novu tehnologiju,a posto nafte ima i previse,polako bez stresa...

lako šleper al to da će brodovi plovit do kine na vjetar i struju il da će avioni letit na baterije su pizdarije

bogomdani wrote:jok Medo.,rjesenje je nesto sveprisutno a neiiscprljivo...gravitacijsko-kordinatni motori i slicno

Winter is coming wrote:

bogomdani wrote:jok Medo.,rjesenje je nesto sveprisutno a neiiscprljivo...gravitacijsko-kordinatni motori i slicno

da,to govorimo o Teslinoj tehnologiji,samo nase potrebe za energijom ce sve vise rasti i treba nam dugorocno rijesenje

bogomdani wrote:

Winter is coming wrote:

bogomdani wrote:jok Medo.,rjesenje je nesto sveprisutno a neiiscprljivo...gravitacijsko-kordinatni motori i slicno

da,to govorimo o Teslinoj tehnologiji,samo nase potrebe za energijom ce sve vise rasti i treba nam dugorocno rijesenje

pa zato kazem,nes sasvim novo,ne verzija na temu dosadasnjeg..

bogomdani wrote:motori sa u sagorijevanjem su krajnje postali stedljivi i ekonomisni,ali...dokle ce ici to nitk one zna..mozda 100 mozda 20 godina...struja je qrc,solarno,jucer Lev jako dobro ilustrirao i objasnio...
jedino je kopati nove tehnologije neovisne o nafti,vjetru ,vodi..

Eroo wrote:Ukratko, energije je danas sasvim dovoljno. Mnogi oblici su neiskorišteni, ili su iskorišteni sasvim malo.

marcellus wrote:

Eroo wrote:Ukratko, energije je danas sasvim dovoljno. Mnogi oblici su neiskorišteni, ili su iskorišteni sasvim malo.

da. ali ono što je bitno, nafte neće nestati za života nikog od nas. A vjerojatno ni naše djece.

Eroo wrote:

marcellus wrote:

Eroo wrote:Ukratko, energije je danas sasvim dovoljno. Mnogi oblici su neiskorišteni, ili su iskorišteni sasvim malo.

da. ali ono što je bitno, nafte neće nestati za života nikog od nas. A vjerojatno ni naše djece.

Dok god bude Zemlja "živa" bit će i nafte, i plina, sunca, vjetra...Tu je i atomska energija, naravno.