Satanists to give prayer at Phoenix City Council meeting

Satanic Temple members Michelle Shortt and Stu de Haan are expected to give the invocation at the Phoenix City Council's Feb. 17 meeting.

(Photo: Screenshot of Satanic Temple website)

Members of a satanic group are set to give the prayer at an upcoming meeting of the Phoenix City Council, triggering a debate about religious freedom and whether such a display is appropriate for the venue.
Satanic Temple members Michelle Shortt and Stu de Haan are expected to give the invocation at the council's Feb. 17 meeting after the group submitted a request in December. Despite the objections of some council members, the city has decided to let the satanists speak as scheduled.



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Phoenix City Attorney Brad Holm released a statement Thursday evening, defending the city's position. The city typically holds a short invocation at the start of formal council meetings and has included members from a variety of faiths, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Sikhism.
"Consistent with the U.S. Supreme Court’s direction, the city cannot dictate religious viewpoints or the content of a prayer," Holm wrote. "In addition, government may not exclude a denomination or a religion from praying under these circumstances."
Councilman Jim Waring said he thinks the city should have told the Satanic Temple members "no," and let them fight the issue in court. He said he thinks the action is intended to be offensive to residents and questioned whether it's a gimmick to get the city to stop doing a prayer at council meetings altogether.
“Frankly, I don’t know that we should be capitulating so readily to this," Waring said. "I do think standing on principle has merit. I’ll probably just leave."
De Haan, who lives in Tucson, said he applied to speak at a council meeting to ensure minority voices are heard. He said the group does "not believe in a literal Satan" and instead views the biblical Satan as "a metaphor for rebellion against tyranny."
“We’re citizens of this government and we would like our voices to be heard," De Haan said. "If they don’t want to accept, constitutionally what must happen is that all voices must be taken down from the public forum. It’s basically all voices must be heard or none at all."
De Haan would not disclose what the group is planning for its invocation, but said, "We don’t intend on doing anything offensive."



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The controversy has prompted a range of statements from city leaders. Councilman Sal DiCiccio took to Twitter on Thursday afternoon to call the move "Another dumb idea by the city..."
Meanwhile, Mayor Greg Stanton and Councilwoman Kate Gallego said they support letting the satanists speak. Stanton released a statement, saying, "the Constitution demands equal treatment under the law” even though he disagrees with the group's message.
Gallego also pointed to First Amendment protections, adding, "“I just believe we’re a diverse society and if we have prayer, we welcome all points of view."

fini neki ljudi...trebali bi ih pozvati...

A nis,fino popricaju,pojedu,popiju,nategnu najatraktivnije Mlatke i sve 6... ..tko bi im nes zamjerio??

eo tvoji na 7:35 hihihi

Ne znam zbog čega se tomu daje neka pozornost.Recimo,iz perspektive jednog ateista ili agnostika,satanistički skup ili kršćanski,islamski,jehovih svjedoka,budistički,sve je to iste trice i kučine.

shaby wrote:eo tvoji na 7:35 hihihi

nosi ih u MP6... geje nemaju moju podrsku..

Znao sam da će ovaj naslov i ova tema ovdje privući jednog diskutanta.

Pa nije bas da frca rasprava..

bogomdani wrote:Pa nije bas da frca rasprava..

Nije,ali je taj diskutant ušao u raspravu.

jastreb wrote:

bogomdani wrote:Pa nije bas da frca rasprava..

Nije,ali je taj diskutant ušao u raspravu.

Koji diskutant ?

Iknarov svjedok wrote:

jastreb wrote:

bogomdani wrote:Pa nije bas da frca rasprava..

Nije,ali je taj diskutant ušao u raspravu.

Koji diskutant ?

Treći po redu pojavljivanja.

Iknarov svjedok wrote:Ne znam zbog čega se tomu daje neka pozornost.Recimo,iz perspektive jednog ateista ili agnostika,satanistički skup ili kršćanski,islamski,jehovih svjedoka,budistički,sve je to iste trice i kučine.

mislim da ovo nije desitički (teistički) satanizam

asilovski wrote:

Iknarov svjedok wrote:Ne znam zbog čega se tomu daje neka pozornost.Recimo,iz perspektive jednog ateista ili agnostika,satanistički skup ili kršćanski,islamski,jehovih svjedoka,budistički,sve je to iste trice i kučine.

mislim da ovo nije desitički (teistički) satanizam

Pa spiritualni svakako nije,nekako mi vuče na LaVayev,ali kod Amera ima toliko tih zajednica da svaka ima neku svoju doktrinu gdje su neke pravi mix svega i svačega,od chaosa,LaVeyizma,luciferijanizma,new agea,vice,ono udrobljeno sve i svasta.
Uvijek neki odpadnik nezadovoljan paradigmom,na kraju smisli svoju koja je kombinacija ranije nabrojanog.

Iknarov svjedok wrote:Ne znam zbog čega se tomu daje neka pozornost.Recimo,iz perspektive jednog ateista ili agnostika,satanistički skup ili kršćanski,islamski,jehovih svjedoka,budistički,sve je to iste trice i kučine.

isti kurac drugo pakiranje, sve to treba na pust otok pa nek se tamo klanjaju svojiem bogovima,

jastreb wrote:

Iknarov svjedok wrote:

jastreb wrote:

bogomdani wrote:Pa nije bas da frca rasprava..

Nije,ali je taj diskutant ušao u raspravu.

Koji diskutant ?

Treći po redu pojavljivanja.

Ako sam dobro brojao,onda bi taj trebao biti ja.

cirkus   Satanisti kao nova grana lijeve avangarde

n_razbojnik wrote:cirkus   Satanisti kao nova grana lijeve avangarde

Pa ne nužno,imaš ti i neonacističke satanističke skupine.....kad samo pomislim kako li bi to izgledalo da se u Hrvatskoj pojave neoustaške satanističke skupine. ne srećom,kod nas ustašoidi idu pod ruku s katolčadskom crkvom,pa bi takvo nešto bilo nepojmljivo.

n_razbojnik wrote:cirkus   Satanisti kao nova grana lijeve avangarde

ajme
a isis kao nova grana desne avangarde :D
divota u pm

Iknarov svjedok wrote:

n_razbojnik wrote:cirkus   Satanisti kao nova grana lijeve avangarde

Pa ne nužno,imaš ti i neonacističke satanističke skupine.....kad samo pomislim kako li bi to izgledalo da se u Hrvatskoj pojave neoustaške satanističke skupine. ne srećom,kod nas ustašoidi idu pod ruku s katolčadskom crkvom,pa bi takvo nešto bilo nepojmljivo.

mi imamo Masoneriju, jebo nas