PRIJE 40 GODINA: Da je svijet slušao ovaj Titov savjet, terorizma ne bi bilo
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Carlos the Jackal, who is serving a life in prison in France, is set to publish a book, and in it, sources in Bosnia say, the famed terrorist will spill some secret high level diplomatic beans and one among them is his vacation in Dubrovnik, Split and Zagreb, all in Croatia and apparently the favored spot for world’s notorious figures of the likes of Carlos the Jackal and Osama bin Laden whom Carlos glorifies.
Newspaper Slobodna Bosna claims that it got hold of excerpts of the Jackals memoirs from which they quote:
I enjoyed and relaxed in Dubrovnik, Split and Zagreb until German informants and the French found out where I am. They begun pressuring the Yugoslavs so in September 1976 they arrested me in the Zagreb hotel Esplanada with a fake Algerian passport… When Tito heard that they captured me, he immediately ordered they let me go and to secure me a run to a country of my choosing. Despite heavy pressure from France and Germany, Tito never admitted that I visited and was arrested in Yugoslavia, and all the documents related to that were destroyed.
This episode that Slobodna Bosna claims to be such a bean-spilling event has, however, already been reported by the likes of Patrick Bellamy from the TruTV channel that specialize in true-life sensationalism. Writes Bellamy:
In September 1976, Carlos and Klein flew to Belgrade and spent three weeks holidaying in Yugoslavia. Their movements came to the attention of West German intelligence that in turn notified Belgrade’s National Security Council demanding that Carlos and his accomplice be arrested and extradited back to Germany. The NSC complied and arrested both men. When Carlos was taken into custody he was in possession of an Algerian diplomatic passport issued under a false name.After just four days in custody, Carlos was released by order of Marshall Tito because Tito did not want the political embarrassment of having Carlos in Belgrade because French President Valery Giscard d’Estaing was due to arrive for an official visit. When the United States and German governments criticized Tito’s decision they were told that there was no evidence to indicate that Carlos had ever been in Yugoslavia. Meanwhile Carlos and Klein had been put on a plane to be taken to Baghdad via Damascus. When the plane arrived in Damascus, they were refused permission to take off again. Being unarmed, Carlos believed that he and Klein would be shot if they left the plane. Their fears were confirmed when armed secret service police posing as cleaning staff tried to board the aircraft but failed to gain access when the pilot informed them that the plane constituted foreign territory.
Bellamy goes even further:
Five hours of intense negotiations followed during which the “cleaners” loosened the plane’s wheels to prevent it taking off. Only after the intervention of two Yugoslav diplomats was the plane released and allowed to fly to Baghdad where the terrorists were supplied with free accommodation, bodyguards and a chauffeured limousine. Carlos stayed in Iraq for three weeks but was in constant fear of reprisals, especially when he learned that Saudi Arabia had put a million dollar bounty on him.
Other parts Slobodna Bosna claims to have seen do manage to add some new things though.
For example, Jackal’s secretary was a “Yugoslav Krista Margo-Frolic” who went by the name of Margaret Stadil Man. Jackal dispatched her to Belgrade in 1982 on a “secret mission” and the communist secret service, Jackal is quoted as claiming, gave Margo-Frolic and orange Opel loaded with explosives and weapons. Jackal was quoted as saying that the communist spies helped her drive the car to France where the stuff was used to kill 2 and wound 63 in Paris on April 22.
Then few more revelations on the cozy relationship Yugoslav communist secret service held with the terrorist:
“On August 25, 1983, also with the help of the Yugoslav secret service, I planted explosive in the residency of the French Consulate in Bonn. After the action I moved from the east to the west Berlin with a falsified Yemeni passport in a vehicle with Yugoslav license plates with a Yugoslav driver called Bojan,” Slobodna Bosna quotes the soon to be published Jackal’s text and cross-references it with a letter a former Yugoslav spy by the name of Hafizovic wrote that was intercepted by the East German Stasi.
The paper then quotes former Yugoslav spy Bozidar Bozo Spasic who claims that the entire former Yugoslavia was an open field where the Jackal and various Palestinian terrorists mingled freely. He says that the YU secret service cut a deal with the Jackal that if arrested, these terrorists would not be extradited to the countries where they were sought but to places like Egypt, Algeria or Libya. In exchange, the Jackal promised no terror attacks on Yugoslavia.
Spasic says that the Yugoslav secret service engaged the Jackal during the Sarajevo Winter Olympiad in 1984 and asked him to tame down the Croatian Ustashe terrorist.
Spasic says that the YU spies got credible evidence that Croatian Ustashe from Karlsruhe and Nurnberg were planning attacks in Sarajevo and Carlos sent out his men to quash the threat.
Spasic says that after that “favor” the Jackal never came back to the former Yugoslavia.
Newspaper Slobodna Bosna claims that it got hold of excerpts of the Jackals memoirs from which they quote:
I enjoyed and relaxed in Dubrovnik, Split and Zagreb until German informants and the French found out where I am. They begun pressuring the Yugoslavs so in September 1976 they arrested me in the Zagreb hotel Esplanada with a fake Algerian passport… When Tito heard that they captured me, he immediately ordered they let me go and to secure me a run to a country of my choosing. Despite heavy pressure from France and Germany, Tito never admitted that I visited and was arrested in Yugoslavia, and all the documents related to that were destroyed.
This episode that Slobodna Bosna claims to be such a bean-spilling event has, however, already been reported by the likes of Patrick Bellamy from the TruTV channel that specialize in true-life sensationalism. Writes Bellamy:
In September 1976, Carlos and Klein flew to Belgrade and spent three weeks holidaying in Yugoslavia. Their movements came to the attention of West German intelligence that in turn notified Belgrade’s National Security Council demanding that Carlos and his accomplice be arrested and extradited back to Germany. The NSC complied and arrested both men. When Carlos was taken into custody he was in possession of an Algerian diplomatic passport issued under a false name.After just four days in custody, Carlos was released by order of Marshall Tito because Tito did not want the political embarrassment of having Carlos in Belgrade because French President Valery Giscard d’Estaing was due to arrive for an official visit. When the United States and German governments criticized Tito’s decision they were told that there was no evidence to indicate that Carlos had ever been in Yugoslavia. Meanwhile Carlos and Klein had been put on a plane to be taken to Baghdad via Damascus. When the plane arrived in Damascus, they were refused permission to take off again. Being unarmed, Carlos believed that he and Klein would be shot if they left the plane. Their fears were confirmed when armed secret service police posing as cleaning staff tried to board the aircraft but failed to gain access when the pilot informed them that the plane constituted foreign territory.
Bellamy goes even further:
Five hours of intense negotiations followed during which the “cleaners” loosened the plane’s wheels to prevent it taking off. Only after the intervention of two Yugoslav diplomats was the plane released and allowed to fly to Baghdad where the terrorists were supplied with free accommodation, bodyguards and a chauffeured limousine. Carlos stayed in Iraq for three weeks but was in constant fear of reprisals, especially when he learned that Saudi Arabia had put a million dollar bounty on him.
Other parts Slobodna Bosna claims to have seen do manage to add some new things though.
For example, Jackal’s secretary was a “Yugoslav Krista Margo-Frolic” who went by the name of Margaret Stadil Man. Jackal dispatched her to Belgrade in 1982 on a “secret mission” and the communist secret service, Jackal is quoted as claiming, gave Margo-Frolic and orange Opel loaded with explosives and weapons. Jackal was quoted as saying that the communist spies helped her drive the car to France where the stuff was used to kill 2 and wound 63 in Paris on April 22.
Then few more revelations on the cozy relationship Yugoslav communist secret service held with the terrorist:
“On August 25, 1983, also with the help of the Yugoslav secret service, I planted explosive in the residency of the French Consulate in Bonn. After the action I moved from the east to the west Berlin with a falsified Yemeni passport in a vehicle with Yugoslav license plates with a Yugoslav driver called Bojan,” Slobodna Bosna quotes the soon to be published Jackal’s text and cross-references it with a letter a former Yugoslav spy by the name of Hafizovic wrote that was intercepted by the East German Stasi.
The paper then quotes former Yugoslav spy Bozidar Bozo Spasic who claims that the entire former Yugoslavia was an open field where the Jackal and various Palestinian terrorists mingled freely. He says that the YU secret service cut a deal with the Jackal that if arrested, these terrorists would not be extradited to the countries where they were sought but to places like Egypt, Algeria or Libya. In exchange, the Jackal promised no terror attacks on Yugoslavia.
Spasic says that the Yugoslav secret service engaged the Jackal during the Sarajevo Winter Olympiad in 1984 and asked him to tame down the Croatian Ustashe terrorist.
Spasic says that the YU spies got credible evidence that Croatian Ustashe from Karlsruhe and Nurnberg were planning attacks in Sarajevo and Carlos sent out his men to quash the threat.
Spasic says that after that “favor” the Jackal never came back to the former Yugoslavia.
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Zajebanciju na stranu ali ovo sat se lijepi po Face-u je kriminal. Od lijecenja sodom bikarbonom, cimetom i sl do neizmjernog bogatstva Libije i Sirije. Jebi ga ne cuh da je netko otisao u pecalbu u Siriju. Neki jesu u Libiju u skolpu politicke razmjene ali eto. Rajevi na zemlji.
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Jugoslavija je bila meta stotina terorističkih napada u zemlji i vani . Od bombe u kinu u Beogradu do bombi u turističkim središtima . Ubojstva ambasadora rolovica .... Od strane ustaške emigracije .
A vi vičite o drugim teroristima .. Bljak
A vi vičite o drugim teroristima .. Bljak
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nema više yuge.
finito.
finito.
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Jer su gluh . Mislila sam da si samo glup.abraham wrote:Zajebanciju na stranu ali ovo sat se lijepi po Face-u je kriminal. Od lijecenja sodom bikarbonom, cimetom i sl do neizmjernog bogatstva Libije i Sirije. Jebi ga ne cuh da je netko otisao u pecalbu u Siriju. Neki jesu u Libiju u skolpu politicke razmjene ali eto. Rajevi na zemlji.
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Ljudi izlijecio sam kurije oko oblogom od cimeta. Pomaze a i lijepo mirise.
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Pa tema je Tito . .. Idi na početak ..ovdje neki raspredaju da je Tito podržavao terorizam. Po običaju niti ne čitaju članak nego lupajuveber wrote:nema više yuge.
finito.
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a da da ne govorimo o državnom terorizmu. Da, stanoviti heroj rvackih medija, kojeg opisuju kao riječkog james bonda i objavljuju s njim intervjue, vinko sindičić. Pucao curici od devet godina u potiljak. O njoj Frljavi ne radi predstavu. Sprijateljio se s obitelji, i kao obiteljskog prijatelja su ga povezli sa stanice automobilom. Pucao je u potiljak roditeljima a zatim ubio malu da ne ostavlja svjedoke. U ime druga Tite.
prokleti katolibani i klerofašisti, jebem ti život.
prokleti katolibani i klerofašisti, jebem ti život.
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abraham wrote:Ljudi izlijecio sam kurije oko oblogom od cimeta. Pomaze a i lijepo mirise.
da pitam zrinku jel ima šta za rak?
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Sora wrote:Pa tema je Tito . .. Idi na početak ..ovdje neki raspredaju da je Tito podržavao terorizam. Po običaju niti ne čitaju članak nego lupajuveber wrote:nema više yuge.
finito.
ma ne nije. Đurekovića ubilo onako radi šege, nije to državni terorizam, šta švabe kurac znaju, još i sude patriotima i našem Perkoviću, pa gde to ima majkmumugaspalim da se teroriste izručuje drugoj državi?
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Da , jos davne 92-ge sam upoznao odvjetnika iz Damask-a. Bio je protjeran sikaniran, slomljena rebra, ruka, covjek u pedesetim. Jos je otac od ovoga sta sjedi sada na vlasti progonio krscane. Postoje naselja pa cak i nogometni klub koji igra u prvoj lizi koji se zove assyrska, koji su osnovali i drze krscani iz Sirije. Dosli na zapad prije trideset godina. Da , da ne zaboravim, odvjetnik je imao prelijepu kcerku. Nesto izvanserijski. Mati mu je nosila odjecu kao grcke starije zene.
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Koji jebeni rak, jezik pregrizo....Zdrav k´o dren.marcellus wrote:abraham wrote:Ljudi izlijecio sam kurije oko oblogom od cimeta. Pomaze a i lijepo mirise.
da pitam zrinku jel ima šta za rak?
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kada se uključim u raspravu pročitam članak.Sora wrote:
Pa tema je Tito . .. Idi na početak ..ovdje neki raspredaju da je Tito podržavao terorizam. Po običaju niti ne čitaju članak nego lupaju
ali po običaju ti si s tita prešla na nikad prežaljenu yugu.
referirao sam se na tvoj upis.
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Sora wrote:Ti kao nesto pametuješ . Pokriti se bi trebao i kleknuti pred njegovim slikama. Posipati pepelom jer nisi najvećeg političara ovih krajeva upoznao. Doduše . Pitanje iz koje pripzdine si dosel ..abraham wrote:Dobro je govorio taj antiterorista, demokrata, covjekoljubac, mrzitelj vlasti i vlastodrzaca. Kila mozga.....
Jebote; koja si ti đilkošica kada možeš podržavati tog SATRAPA! I što smo ustvari pročitali u tome naručenom članku gdje je samo naslov bombastičan , a ostalo je sve luk i voda !!Najveći MANIPULATOR ,a ne političar - da nije u ono vrijeme bila takva politička situacija malo sutra što bi se on mogao kurčiti i šepuriti sve u 16 !Nažalost , stotine tisuća su stvarno pred njim KLEKNULI i nisu se više DIGLI - to govori i njegovo 13 svjetsko mijesto za njegove " ZASLUGE " prigodom kojih je mnoge uputio na put bez povratka !
Daj nam još malo objasni kako to on nije imao diplomatske odnose s Židovima , a ovi današnji naši političari se prosto natječu tko će im se više zavući u guzicu i čim stignu na vlast prva vanjska postaja Izrael - da to možda nema veze s židovskim dobrima koje su prvo opljačkale ustaše , a onda dragi Tile samo to prepisao na Partiju i " ZASLUŽNE " - tko je zucnio nešto ZA Židove odmah bajbok, preodgojne ustanove tipa svježeg otočnog morskog zraka, drugarske i samokritike - široka lepeza izbora............!
Naravno da TITO nije podržavao terorizam u vlastitoj državi ( javno ) - no zato ga je uspješno koristio u ime komunističke družbe i sebe osobno u mnogim europskim zemljama - daj nam još malo objasni što je radio Gadafi,Arafat,Sadam i mnogi drugi u Srbiji ( kod Avale ) - jesu tamo provodili godišnji odmor pecajući ribice i skidali žuljeve s prljavih nogu ??? !!
Vama zaslepljenima nema pomoći - vaše moždane vijuge rade na sličnim " TALASIMA " kao ovi moderni ISILOVCI i tu nema pomoći - ni lobotomija vam ne bi pomogla - vi ste živući fosilni primjeri frankenštajnovskih mozgova što se još uvijek realno i u realnom vremenu može sagledati kod VELIKOG VOĐE u S.Koreji gdje vaši pobratimi i sudruzi u maniri pravih iskrenih, poštenih, nepotkupljivih komunista održavaju LUČ i vatru ideje i pokreta za koji su spremni život položiti - no prije toga smaknuti što više " narodnih ( komunističkih nevjernika ) neprijatelja " - naravno pri tome i oduzeti svu imovinu - ta ,zar nije sramota da viđeniji komunist ima samo dvije tri kuće - ima da neprijatelj plati i bude kažnjen što se usudio usprotiviti svetim idejama Marxa, Lenjina, Staljina i iznad svega našeg dragog i velikog vođe DRUGA TITA - evo, već mi suze radosnice teku kada sam smio napisati njegovo ime i to me moram priznati ushićuje i čini mi neopisivo zadovoljstvo !!
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well tu je u pravu, ali jebiga, dosta toga se i promijenilo od tad..marcus-t wrote:mi se moramo boriti protiv toga da se sada baci krivnja na te narode, na čitave zemlje”
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pogledajte malo tekst islamske deklaracije od balije izmetbegovica, neke stvari ce vam biti malo jasnije.
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kic wrote:well tu je u pravu, ali jebiga, dosta toga se i promijenilo od tad..marcus-t wrote:mi se moramo boriti protiv toga da se sada baci krivnja na te narode, na čitave zemlje”
a kako možeš ratovat protiv pol zemlje ili pol naroda? Ili si s nekim u ratu ili nisi. Nisu Ameri išli u rat protiv dijela Japana ili pol Njemačke.
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reče tito i dade oružje mujama da kolju izraelce i kog stignu.marcus-t wrote:Foto: AFP Autor: Danas.hr 09:40 22.11.2015
Povodom terorističkog napada u Parizu, Facebookom kruži isječak Titovog govora iz Prijedora, originalno objavljenog prijee više od 40 godina
Josip Broz Tito, u skladu s poltikom nestverstanih prije svega poziva na mir te komenitra akciju njemačkih specijalaca tijekom dramatične palestince otmice izraelskih sportaša 1972. godin za vreme Olimpijskih igara u Munchenu. Ubijeno je 11 Izraelaca i dva Nemca, a bivši jugoslavenski vođa je naveo uzroke terora ali i manje vidljive oblike terorizma.
Danas, 40 godina kasnije, nažalost njegova analiza situacije još uvijek je aktualna.
“Vi, inače znate kakva je situacija. Na Bliskom istoku stvari su došle u slijepu ulicu. Vidjeli ste šta se dogodilo u Njemačkoj na Olimpijadi u Munchenu. Ubijeno je 11 izraelskih sportaša. Poginula su dvojica Nijemaca… Zbog toga su već mogli dići avione i bombardirati žene i djecu u Libanonu i Siriji. Ja osobno, kao i čitav naš narod, apsolutno sam protiv onoga što su komandosi napravili u Munchenu. Da li su oni bili svjesno ili nesvjesno nečije oruđe, ne znam. Ali mi smo protiv terora uopće. No, dajte da se malo razmisli – kakvih sve terora ima. Što je sa onim terorom kada se svakodnevno bacaju tisuće i tisuće tona ekspolziva, kada se bombama ruši i sve živo ubija. Je li to teror? To je najgori teror. Prema tome, neka se sada izvuku pouke iz onoga što se dogodilo u Munchenu, pa da se jednom kroz Ujedinjene narode učini nešto kako se terorizam u svjetskim razmjerima više ne bi mogao pojavljivati. A to se može ostvariti… To što sada Izrael čini ne čini sam, on ima dobru podršku izvana. Zbog toga je jako opasno. I taj teroristički poduhvat u Munchenu ima jednu vrlo paklenu namjeru. Da se sva mržnja čovječanstva, okrene protiv Arapa. Maltene, trebalo bi sve Arape likvidirati. Razume se, mi se moramo boriti protiv toga da se sada baci krivnja na te narode, na čitave zemlje”
Samim govorom, Tito je dao i jednu vrstu recepta kako da se sanira trenutna situacija sa terorizmom, iako je jugoslovenski zvaničnik ove reči izgovorio pre više od 40 godina. No još važnije od samog govora, Tito je kroz nesvrstane stvorio platformu preko koje se države mogu izboriti za svoje interese političkim sredstvima.
http://net.hr/danas/hrvatska/prije-40-godina-da-je-svijet-slusao-ovaj-titov-savjet-terorizma-ne-bi-bilo/
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Ali moraš priznati da niko nije ni blizu sore po provaljivanju gluposti, ovo sa bjegom od ustaša u Zg je genijalni sorin uradak, vjerojatno top 5 svih vremena na net.hrabraham wrote:Jebeni ustashe bile po Podrinju. Sto ces kud, ces vec za Zagreb. Ako bjezis od ustasha, nema logicnijeg mjesta za pobjeci od Zagreba.
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Ne bih se ogranicavao na Net.hr. I sire i siretre911 wrote:Ali moraš priznati da niko nije ni blizu sore po provaljivanju gluposti, ovo sa bjegom od ustaša u Zg je genijalni sorin uradak, vjerojatno top 5 svih vremena na net.hrabraham wrote:Jebeni ustashe bile po Podrinju. Sto ces kud, ces vec za Zagreb. Ako bjezis od ustasha, nema logicnijeg mjesta za pobjeci od Zagreba.
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Istina ali autorska prava ima net.hrabraham wrote:Ne bih se ogranicavao na Net.hr. I sire i siretre911 wrote:Ali moraš priznati da niko nije ni blizu sore po provaljivanju gluposti, ovo sa bjegom od ustaša u Zg je genijalni sorin uradak, vjerojatno top 5 svih vremena na net.hrabraham wrote:Jebeni ustashe bile po Podrinju. Sto ces kud, ces vec za Zagreb. Ako bjezis od ustasha, nema logicnijeg mjesta za pobjeci od Zagreba.
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