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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by danni1 9/7/2017, 16:12
A ,cijenjeni Gregor je bio......NACIST. Vidi vraga antifašisti podržavaju nacističku ideologiju. Koja je ono razlika između antifašista i nacista? A da...malo su se tukli međusobno, al ne zbog ideologije ona je identična nego zbog moći i položaja.Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:Regoč wrote:Svi ste vi od istoga Marxa potekli.Sora wrote:Regoč wrote:
Hitler je socijalist. Istina nacionalni, ali ipak socijalist. Fašizam proizlazi iz socijalizma. Svi su totalitarizmi u prošlom stoljeću očito ljevičarskoga podrietla.
Ha?
Cuj, Svi smo mi iz iste ..jelte ..
Da ne budem prostacina ..
Pa smo razliciti.
"National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order."
A.H.
lijepo si svima dokazao da si mentalno osakaćeno udbaško ustaško piskaralo klon Slavena Letice i mnogobrojnih istovrsnih kurbinih sinova koji mijenjaju politiku kako im momentalno odgovara. poluljudi bez morala bez obraza bez dostojanstva bez ičega. dronjci na kosturu.
dakle papčino srbsko crnogorska TI bi trebao znati pa tek onda dijeliti packe uokolo da ovo iznad NIJE Hitler rekao i napisao nego je to rekao i napisao netko drugi a zvao se Gregor Strasser koga je Hitler dao ubiti.
"We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system! And with my inclination to practical action it seems obvious to me that we have to put a better, more just, more moral system in its place, one which, as it were, has arms and legs and better arms and legs than the present one!"
Gregor Strasser
Svi smo mi isti i imamo iste ciljeve...zabranit,cenzurirati, protjerati i po potrebi pobiti sve koji ne razmišljaju kao mi. Bit će interesantan razvoj budućih događaja.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 16:21
CLAIM
Adolf Hitler was a “leftist” who stated that Nazis “are socialists [and] mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system.”
RATING
FALSE
ORIGIN
Back in January 2016, conservative web site Louder with Crowder dipped its toes into the world of fact-checking with an article (“MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal”) that makes the claim that “leftists” have unfairly rewritten history to paint Hitler as right wing, based in part on the fact that the Nazi party had the word “socialist” in its name.
Perhaps ironically, that article opens with a tidbit of literally rewritten history, misattributing a quote by Nazi party member Gregor Strasser to Adolf Hitler:
We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!
Hitler never wrote nor uttered these words. Instead, these are the words of early Nazi party official Gregor Strasser, printed in a 1926 pamphlet titled Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future. That pamphlet, as we will discuss in detail below, attempted to appeal to ultranationalist movements on both the left and the right at a time when the Nazis were a fringe political party seeking to carve out as big a part of the German electorate as possible.
Strasser’s pamphlet went on to make these decidedly non-socialist sounding statements as well:
The spirit of our National Socialist idea has to overpower the spirit of liberalism and false democracy if there is to be a third Reich at all! Deeply rooted in organic life, we have realized that the false belief in the equality of man is the deadly threat with which liberalism destroys people and nation, culture and morals. violating the deepest levels of our being!
We have to reject with fanatical zeal the frequent lie that people are basically equal and equal in regard to their influence in the state and their share of power! People are unequal, they are unequal from birth, become more unequal in life and are therefore to be valued unequally in their positions in society and in the state!
Gregor Strasser was a prominent Nazi propagandist in the formative days of the Nazi party. A World War I veteran active in post-war anti-Soviet paramilitary activities, he — along with Adolf Hitler — became one of the two most prominent voices for the party as it attempted to build a cohesive ideology and broad support across the various factions within a deeply divided Germany.
As discussed in a biography of Strasser:
Just as Hitler may be said to have pioneered and consolidated the party in southern Germany, so much the same was true of Strasser in the north. Strasser’s success there clearly identified him as the man next in importance to Hitler […]
The confrontation was most crucial in this period of National Socialism, for it encompassed basic matters of ideological orientation, organisation, tactics, and possibly leadership. Strasser was the guiding spirit of the ‘northern faction’, and he even put his authority behind a draft ‘socialist’ programme of action as an alternative to the one endorsed by Hitler for the party in 1920 which was supposed to be immutable.
As it happens, Hitler was not a fan of Strasser’s ideas. While his efforts helped the Nazi’s with early electoral victories in the elections of 1928, his views became dangerously discordant with Hitler’s, and he was assassinated on Hitler’s orders in 1934:
By the early 1930s Strasser was head of the Nazi political organization and second only to Hitler in power and popularity. As leader of the party’s left wing, however, he opposed Hitler’s courting of big business as well as his anti-Semitism and instead favoured radical social reforms along socialist lines. He finally resigned his party offices in 1932. Hitler was able to avert large-scale losses in membership after Strasser’s defection, and, after Hitler’s accession to the chancellorship, Strasser lost almost all of his influence. He was murdered on Hitler’s orders during the [Ernst] Röhm purge of 1934.
The fact that Hitler disagreed with Strasser’s view of “National Socialism” so much that he was killed in part for holding those views makes it all the more absurd to attribute this quote to Hitler, as Louder with Crowder has done.
The political milieu of Germany in the 1920s was a hotbed of political unrest and paramilitary violence that cannot easily fit into simple “left” and “right” binaries. Hitler’s use of “socialism” attempted to borrow the rhetorical devices of the left, but not the ideological ones, as discussed in The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard Evans:
The ‘National Socialists’ wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. […]
By presenting itself as a ‘movement’, National Socialism, like the labour movement, advertised its opposition to conventional politics and its intention to subvert and ultimately overthrow the system within which it was initially forced to work.
By replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader, Nazism reversed the usual terms of socialist ideology.
The post suggests that “this nifty thing called ‘history’ in combination with ‘the internet'” can “bust this myth” that Hitler was right wing. However, the web site takes a superficial view of German history based, in large part, on a comically misattributed quote. If anything, Louder with Crowder has made a strong argument for including some books along with that internet research.
Adolf Hitler was a “leftist” who stated that Nazis “are socialists [and] mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system.”
RATING
FALSE
ORIGIN
Back in January 2016, conservative web site Louder with Crowder dipped its toes into the world of fact-checking with an article (“MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal”) that makes the claim that “leftists” have unfairly rewritten history to paint Hitler as right wing, based in part on the fact that the Nazi party had the word “socialist” in its name.
Perhaps ironically, that article opens with a tidbit of literally rewritten history, misattributing a quote by Nazi party member Gregor Strasser to Adolf Hitler:
We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!
Hitler never wrote nor uttered these words. Instead, these are the words of early Nazi party official Gregor Strasser, printed in a 1926 pamphlet titled Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future. That pamphlet, as we will discuss in detail below, attempted to appeal to ultranationalist movements on both the left and the right at a time when the Nazis were a fringe political party seeking to carve out as big a part of the German electorate as possible.
Strasser’s pamphlet went on to make these decidedly non-socialist sounding statements as well:
The spirit of our National Socialist idea has to overpower the spirit of liberalism and false democracy if there is to be a third Reich at all! Deeply rooted in organic life, we have realized that the false belief in the equality of man is the deadly threat with which liberalism destroys people and nation, culture and morals. violating the deepest levels of our being!
We have to reject with fanatical zeal the frequent lie that people are basically equal and equal in regard to their influence in the state and their share of power! People are unequal, they are unequal from birth, become more unequal in life and are therefore to be valued unequally in their positions in society and in the state!
Gregor Strasser was a prominent Nazi propagandist in the formative days of the Nazi party. A World War I veteran active in post-war anti-Soviet paramilitary activities, he — along with Adolf Hitler — became one of the two most prominent voices for the party as it attempted to build a cohesive ideology and broad support across the various factions within a deeply divided Germany.
As discussed in a biography of Strasser:
Just as Hitler may be said to have pioneered and consolidated the party in southern Germany, so much the same was true of Strasser in the north. Strasser’s success there clearly identified him as the man next in importance to Hitler […]
The confrontation was most crucial in this period of National Socialism, for it encompassed basic matters of ideological orientation, organisation, tactics, and possibly leadership. Strasser was the guiding spirit of the ‘northern faction’, and he even put his authority behind a draft ‘socialist’ programme of action as an alternative to the one endorsed by Hitler for the party in 1920 which was supposed to be immutable.
As it happens, Hitler was not a fan of Strasser’s ideas. While his efforts helped the Nazi’s with early electoral victories in the elections of 1928, his views became dangerously discordant with Hitler’s, and he was assassinated on Hitler’s orders in 1934:
By the early 1930s Strasser was head of the Nazi political organization and second only to Hitler in power and popularity. As leader of the party’s left wing, however, he opposed Hitler’s courting of big business as well as his anti-Semitism and instead favoured radical social reforms along socialist lines. He finally resigned his party offices in 1932. Hitler was able to avert large-scale losses in membership after Strasser’s defection, and, after Hitler’s accession to the chancellorship, Strasser lost almost all of his influence. He was murdered on Hitler’s orders during the [Ernst] Röhm purge of 1934.
The fact that Hitler disagreed with Strasser’s view of “National Socialism” so much that he was killed in part for holding those views makes it all the more absurd to attribute this quote to Hitler, as Louder with Crowder has done.
The political milieu of Germany in the 1920s was a hotbed of political unrest and paramilitary violence that cannot easily fit into simple “left” and “right” binaries. Hitler’s use of “socialism” attempted to borrow the rhetorical devices of the left, but not the ideological ones, as discussed in The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard Evans:
The ‘National Socialists’ wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. […]
By presenting itself as a ‘movement’, National Socialism, like the labour movement, advertised its opposition to conventional politics and its intention to subvert and ultimately overthrow the system within which it was initially forced to work.
By replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader, Nazism reversed the usual terms of socialist ideology.
The post suggests that “this nifty thing called ‘history’ in combination with ‘the internet'” can “bust this myth” that Hitler was right wing. However, the web site takes a superficial view of German history based, in large part, on a comically misattributed quote. If anything, Louder with Crowder has made a strong argument for including some books along with that internet research.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 16:26
danni1 wrote:A ,cijenjeni Gregor je bio......NACIST. Vidi vraga antifašisti podržavaju nacističku ideologiju. Koja je ono razlika između antifašista i nacista? A da...malo su se tukli međusobno, al ne zbog ideologije ona je identična nego zbog moći i položaja.Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:Regoč wrote:Svi ste vi od istoga Marxa potekli.Sora wrote:
Ha?
Cuj, Svi smo mi iz iste ..jelte ..
Da ne budem prostacina ..
Pa smo razliciti.
"National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order."
A.H.
lijepo si svima dokazao da si mentalno osakaćeno udbaško ustaško piskaralo klon Slavena Letice i mnogobrojnih istovrsnih kurbinih sinova koji mijenjaju politiku kako im momentalno odgovara. poluljudi bez morala bez obraza bez dostojanstva bez ičega. dronjci na kosturu.
dakle papčino srbsko crnogorska TI bi trebao znati pa tek onda dijeliti packe uokolo da ovo iznad NIJE Hitler rekao i napisao nego je to rekao i napisao netko drugi a zvao se Gregor Strasser koga je Hitler dao ubiti.
"We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system! And with my inclination to practical action it seems obvious to me that we have to put a better, more just, more moral system in its place, one which, as it were, has arms and legs and better arms and legs than the present one!"
Gregor Strasser
Svi smo mi isti i imamo iste ciljeve...zabranit,cenzurirati, protjerati i po potrebi pobiti sve koji ne razmišljaju kao mi. Bit će interesantan razvoj budućih događaja.
Gregor Strasser (May 31, 1892 – June 30, 1934) was a politician of the German Nazi Party (NSDAP). Gregor Strasser believed Hitler was a socialist. He reorganized the whole NSDAP structure, both in its regional formation and its vertical management hierarchy. During the Nazi Party purge, also known as the Night of the Long Knives, Strasser tried to take credit for Hitler's ideals. He was imprisoned and then assassinated on Hitler's personal order by the Berlin Gestapo on June 30, 1934. His assassins shot through a window into Strasser's cell, killing him.
Gregor Strasser (also German: Straßer, see ß) (31 May 1892 – 30 June 1934) was a German politician and prominent figure in the Nazi Party. He became a rival to Adolf Hitler, resigned from his political offices in late 1932, and was executed in 1934, during the "Night of the Long Knives". Gregor Strasser and his younger brother Otto were born into the family of a Catholic judicial officer who lived in the Upper Bavarian market town of Geisenfeld. He attended the local Gymnasium (grammar school) and after his final examinations, served an apprenticeship as a pharmacist in the Lower Bavarian village of Frontenhausen from 1910 until 1914.
In 1914 he began to study pharmacy at Ludwig Maximilians University of Munich, suspending his studies in the same year to enlist as a volunteer in the German Imperial Army. Strasser served in World War I, rising to the rank of First Lieutenant, and won the Iron Cross, First and Second Class. In 1918, he resumed his studies at Friedrich-Alexander-University, Erlangen-Nuremberg. He passed his state examination in 1919 and in 1920 started work as a pharmacist in Landshut. In January 1928, Strasser became leader of the NSDAP's national organisation. He reorganised the party's structure, both in its regional formation and its vertical management hierarchy. The Nazi Party became a strictly centralist organization with the party's own control machinery and high capability for propaganda. Strasser's ideas were put into effect by service regulations called Political Organization on 15 July 1932.
After 1925, Strasser's outstanding organizational skill helped the NSDAP to make a big step from a marginal South German splinter party to a nationwide mass party, appealing to the lower classes and their tendency towards socialism. Its membership increased from about 27,000 in 1925 to more than 800,000 in 1931. Strasser established the NSDAP in northern and western Germany as a strong political association which quickly attained a higher membership than Hitler's southern party section. Moreover he arranged for the foundation of the Berlin SA under Upper Silesian Nazi activist Kurt Daluege in March 1926. The party's own Foreign Organization (see NSDAP/AO) was formed on Strasser's initiative, and Dr. Hans Nieland was appointed its first leader on 1 May 1931. Together with his brother Otto, Strasser founded the Berlin Kampf-Verlag ("Combat Publishing") arm in March 1926, which published among others the programmatic weekly journal Der Nationale Sozialist ("The National Socialist") from 1926 until 1930. The Strasser brothers ruled the Berlin party organization unchallenged and developed an independent ideological profile from the south German party wing around Adolf Hitler. They advocated—at first together with Gregor Strasser's close collaborator in Rhineland and Westphalia Joseph Goebbels—an anti-capitalist social revolutionary course for the NSDAP that at the same time was also strongly antisemitic and anti-communist.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser)
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 16:29
Quote: "We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system ! And with my inclination to practical action it seems obvious to me that we have to put a better, more just, more moral system in its place, one which, as it were, has arms and legs and better arms and legs than the present one !" "Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future" - by Gregor Strasser - 1926 June 15
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 16:32
dakle marčelo i ustaška bulumenta čardaklija: BRUKA I SRAMOTA ! ajte ponovo uškolu uprvi razret učit. obrukali ste se samo tako. ajd ustaše razlaz, fajront.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by marcellus 9/7/2017, 16:34
str. 224 "Adolf Hitler" John Toland, 1991
taj itlerov citat možeš naći tamo, "mi smo socijalisti" itd.
inače
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/njemacki-ministar-spd-usporedio-prosvjednike-u-hamburgu-s-nacistima-1041535/
taj itlerov citat možeš naći tamo, "mi smo socijalisti" itd.
inače
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/njemacki-ministar-spd-usporedio-prosvjednike-u-hamburgu-s-nacistima-1041535/
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by marcellus 9/7/2017, 16:35
Gnječ wrote:dakle marčelo i ustaška bulumenta čardaklija: BRUKA I SRAMOTA ! ajte ponovo uškolu uprvi razret učit. obrukali ste se samo tako. ajd ustaše razlaz, fajront.
nikakva bruka
https://www.amazon.com/Adolf-Hitler-Definitive-John-Toland/dp/0385420536
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by marcellus 9/7/2017, 16:46
inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 16:55
marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by marcellus 9/7/2017, 17:00
Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
i dalje stoji da je taj citat hitlera naveden u vjerojatno najozbiljnijoj njegovoj biografiji, i da je hitler nesporno bio socijalist
usput volio je marksa, čitao ga je u zatvoru i brijao na njega
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:00
Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
a što misliš da pročitaš knjigu?
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:09
marcellus wrote:Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
i dalje stoji da je taj citat hitlera naveden u vjerojatno najozbiljnijoj njegovoj biografiji, i da je hitler nesporno bio socijalist
usput volio je marksa, čitao ga je u zatvoru i brijao na njega
gdje su dokazi? osim ovih tvojih pretpostavki nemaš ničeg konkretnog ? znači tebi se treba vjerovati jer si nounar?
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Regoč 9/7/2017, 17:17
Čak i da je Strasser autor govora, izrekal ga je Hitler, a to je bitno. I sam je Strasser, dakle, klasik marksizma.Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:20
Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
i dalje stoji da je taj citat hitlera naveden u vjerojatno najozbiljnijoj njegovoj biografiji, i da je hitler nesporno bio socijalist
usput volio je marksa, čitao ga je u zatvoru i brijao na njega
gdje su dokazi? osim ovih tvojih pretpostavki nemaš ničeg konkretnog ? znači tebi se treba vjerovati jer si nounar?
pa pročitaj knjigu
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:25
Regoč wrote:Čak i da je Strasser autor govora, izrekal ga je Hitler, a to je bitno. I sam je Strasser, dakle, klasik marksizma.Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
Strasser je autor. sad bi ti mijenjao povijest ????!? Hitler nikada nije to rekao ako je nađi izvor.
evo što Strasser piše o Hitleru:
He is such a hysteric that they need not take him seriously, and so he will not carry out his threat unfortunately. But it is all or nothing for him now. If I know him, he will make one desperate attempt to get into power. If this fails and he does not get his way, he is finished. He will burst into pieces like a frog.
About Adolf Hitler as quoted in "Diary of a Man in Despair", Fritz Percy Reck-Malleczewen - History (1970) p. 95.
Dr. Martin, I am a man marked by death. We shall not be able to go on seeing each other for long and in your own interests I suggest you do not come here any more. Whatever happens, mark what I say: From now on Germany is in the hands of an Austrian who is a congenital liar, a former officer who is a pervert, and a clubfoot. And I tell you the last is the worst of them all. This is Satan in human form.
To Dr. Martin (9 December 1932). Quoted in "Hitler: The Missing Years", p. 190 by Ernst Hanfstaengl, John Toland - 1994
Gregor Strasser
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by jastreb 9/7/2017, 17:27
Eto na riječkoj zaobilaznici svaki dan čujem hitnu po nekoliko puta na dan ovih dana. Očito zbog vrućine imaju pune ruke posla.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by jastreb 9/7/2017, 17:32
Ups,ovo je trebalo biti na temi o toplinskom valu.jastreb wrote:Eto na riječkoj zaobilaznici svaki dan čujem hitnu po nekoliko puta na dan ovih dana. Očito zbog vrućine imaju pune ruke posla.
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:35
metilda wrote:Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:inače moguće je da je Hitler u govoru posudio od Strassera, ali sasvim je sigurno da je Hitler 1927. to rekao.
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
i dalje stoji da je taj citat hitlera naveden u vjerojatno najozbiljnijoj njegovoj biografiji, i da je hitler nesporno bio socijalist
usput volio je marksa, čitao ga je u zatvoru i brijao na njega
gdje su dokazi? osim ovih tvojih pretpostavki nemaš ničeg konkretnog ? znači tebi se treba vjerovati jer si nounar?
pa pročitaj knjigu
i? John Toland je tko ? nepogriješivi autoritet ? ima li još negdje u kojoj knjizi se spominje da je to hitlerov citat ili samo u ovoj tolandovoj ?
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:42
Gnječ wrote:metilda wrote:Gnječ wrote:marcellus wrote:Gnječ wrote:
pepela pepela mi dajte jel tako marčelo ? treba ti tona pepela možda i šleper cijeli. jer da ja nisam na forumu napisao i stavio te dokaze ti i tvoja ustaška bulumenta freakova čardaklija bi i dalje orgijali i pljuvali po antifašizmu. orgijate vi svaki puta vašim dezinformacijama ili fake news propaganda. takve beštije poput tebe treba sankcionirati.
i dalje stoji da je taj citat hitlera naveden u vjerojatno najozbiljnijoj njegovoj biografiji, i da je hitler nesporno bio socijalist
usput volio je marksa, čitao ga je u zatvoru i brijao na njega
gdje su dokazi? osim ovih tvojih pretpostavki nemaš ničeg konkretnog ? znači tebi se treba vjerovati jer si nounar?
pa pročitaj knjigu
i? John Toland je tko ? nepogriješivi autoritet ? ima li još negdje u kojoj knjizi se spominje da je to hitlerov citat ili samo u ovoj tolandovoj ?
Pulitzer Prize-winning historian John Toland’s classic, definitive biography of Adolf Hitler remains the most thorough, readable, accessible, and, as much as possible, objective account of the life of a man whose evil effect on the world in the twentieth century will always be felt.
Toland’s research provided one of the final opportunities for a historian to conduct personal interviews with over two hundred individuals intimately associated with Hitler. At a certain distance yet still with access to many of the people who enabled and who opposed the führer and his Third Reich, Toland strove to treat this life as if Hitler lived and died a hundred years before instead of within his own memory. From childhood and obscurity to his desperate end, Adolf Hitler emerges as, in Toland’s words, “far more complex and contradictory . . . obsessed by his dream of cleansing Europe Jews . . . a hybrid of Prometheus and Lucifer.”
https://www.amazon.com/Adolf-Hitler-Definitive-John-Toland/dp/0385420536
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:43
kako su se antife uskoprcale.. još malo pa će početi braniti hitlera
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Re: Hitler po drugi put među antifašistima
by Guest 9/7/2017, 17:48
metilda wrote:kako su se antife uskoprcale.. još malo pa će početi braniti hitlera
ja čujem samo tvoje kokodakanje. kokodačeš ko da te pijetao nasadio.
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