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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 13:36

Why Hillary Clinton lost the election: the economy, trust and a weak message
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How Hillary Clinton managed to lose an election to a candidate as divisive and unpopular as Donald Trump will baffle observers and agonise Democrats for years to come. Once the shockwave passes, some glimpses of rational explanation may become visible.
Incumbent parties rarely hold on to power after eight years in office. George HW Bush, following Reagan, was an exception, but politics has become steadily more polarised since and pendulums have a habit of swinging.
Trump’s defiance of expectations has itself also become somewhat of a golden rule in American politics in 2016. Written off repeatedly during the Republican primary, and only rarely taken seriously during the general election, he nonetheless epitomises the same anti-establishment mood that led Britain to vote to leave the European Union and Democrats in 22 US states to nominate Bernie Sanders. Fairly or not, it is an establishment with which Clinton could not have been more closely aligned in the minds of many voters if she tried.

The economy

“It’s the economy, stupid” was a phrase coined by her husband’s adviser James Carville in the 1992 election and, in many ways, it ought to have helped Democrats again in 2016. Barack Obama helped rescue the US from the financial crash and presided over a record series of consecutive quarters of job growth.
Unfortunately for Clinton, many Americans simply did not feel as positive. Stagnant wage levels and soaring inequality were symptoms of the malaise felt by many voters. Trump successfully convinced them to believe this was caused by bad trade deals and a rigged economy.
Despite being pushed in this direction by Sanders in the Democratic primary, Clinton never really found a satisfactory response. Her volte-face on trade sounded – and was later proved by leaked emails – unconvincing at best; deeply cynical at worst.
Neither socialism nor the proto-fascist homilies of Trump offered much in the way of coherent alternatives either, but the bottom line was that Clinton simply failed to articulate a convincing defence of modern American capitalism.

Trust

One big problem which undermined many otherwise plausible policy positions was a lack of trust. Paid speeches to Goldman Sachs and a murky web of business connections to the family charity left many Americans doubting Clinton’s sincerity on matters of money and much else.
That the Federal Bureau of Investigation was investigating the Democratic candidate until just two days before voting with a view to bring possible criminal charges for her flouting of data security laws was just the most extreme manifestation of the issue.
It was damaging not just that the FBI bungled its timing of what ultimately proved to be a dead end investigation but because it played into the notion that the Clintons behaved as if the law did not apply to them.

Message vacuum

It also did not help that what Clinton was selling was mainly herself. The campaign’s strongest message was that she was uniquely qualified to become president. This was largely true, especially when compared to the grotesquely inexperienced Donald Trump, but big ideas took a backstage role.
There was a cast of a thousand policy prescriptions, from tweaks to the healthcare system to a watered-down version of the Sanders college debt proposals. Few were memorable, even among supporters.
Campaign slogans are notoriously vacuous. Obama’s “hope and change” turned out to be more of the former than the latter. Yet Clinton’s “stronger together” only really began to take shape in response to Trump’s divisiveness. It was attractive to many Democrats as a symbol of what they felt the campaign was about but it ensured the battle was fought on Trump’s terms.

Broken polls



Amid the recriminations, special attention is likely to be reserved for the pollsters, who showed Clinton clinging to a comfortable three- or four-point lead in national opinion polls going into the election. Granted, some, such as Nate Silver’s 538 website, flagged up the risk of an upset in key swing states, but even he had downgraded expectations of a Trump win to less than 30% on the eve of polling.
The failure partly reflects a broken industry. Reaching a vast audience no longer using landlines, or even mobile voice calls much, with a 20th-century modeling of statistical sampling has produced dangerously misleading results in elections around the world of late.
But the US fortune tellers were particularly confused by the scrambled demographics of the 2016 election. Trump in many ways ran to Clinton’s left on some economic issues, with a populist appeal to a growing group of unaffiliated independent-minded voters, and yet analysts continued to assume that if registered Democrats were voting early, or telling pollsters they were going to vote, it meant a vote for Clinton.
That all changed in 2016, a ground zero for a political bombshell that will mean the US electoral map never looks the same again.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/hillary-clinton-election-president-loss
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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 13:38

Demokrati su si sami zabili noz u ledja jer nisu izabrali Bernia in primary elections.
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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 13:40


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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 13:41

koji debili majko mila

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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 13:44

How to move to Canada: Immigration website crashes as Donald Trump romps home to election victory


The Canadian immigration site has broken as people look to leave the US in the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump's election as the country's new president. 


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/how-to-move-to-canada-immigration-website-crash-donald-trump-president-a7406106.html 



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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 13:46

Clingons the great Wariors has lost the race  cat
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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 13:47

Winter is coming wrote:
Kaj ces ti? Secesija ili maple leaf syrup?  flower
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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 13:48

sta znam,to je malo osjetljivo pitanje,ne treba nigdje zuriti,nek se malo ohlade usijane glave

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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 13:49

Bernie bi bio protuteza Trumpu, s dobrim izgledima za pobjedu. Hillarija je kricala i vristala u nista.
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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 13:53

dudette wrote:Bernie bi bio protuteza Trumpu, s dobrim izgledima za pobjedu. Hillarija je kricala i vristala u nista.
ah sad je gotovo,treba pocistiti sad to smece Clingonce,niko nebi smio biti iznad zakona pa ni jebeni predsjednik ni secretary of state ni guverner,niko,osnovati nezavisnu komisiju i viditi jeli ona kuja za prdekanu ili ne,zabraniti lobiranje tj primanje mita od bogatih saudijskih jebaca kamila i restartovati odnose sa Rusijom jer smo na ivici nuklearnog rata samo zato sto se Klingoncima digla kita.

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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 14:03

Pa ima Senat mehanizme kontrole. Ne vjerujem da ce dopustiti da bude loose cannon.
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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 14:04

Bez obzira sto su Republikanci dobili vecinu u Senatu, nisu svi radikalni.
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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 14:04

h. klinton, 
kao covek, 
zelim  da se posveti svom zdravlju,
porodici i licnim zadovoljstvima !
a kao srbin,
da joj vise nikad ne vidim facu !


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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 14:07

dudette wrote:Pa ima Senat mehanizme kontrole. Ne vjerujem da ce dopustiti da bude loose cannon.
da jos uvjek je ona opasna

TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER DOES NOT RULE OUT SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FOR HILLARY CLINTON - MSNBC

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Donald Trump’s campaign manager, speaking on MSNBC, said appointing a special prosecutor for Hillary Clinton can’t be ruled out, adding that discussion regarding the issue will happen “in due time.”
Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence are “looking to unify the country, but we haven’t discussed that in recent days, and I think that it’s all in due time,” campaign manager Kellyanne Conway told MSNBC in an interview, as quoted by Reuters.
Trump did not bring up the issue when speaking on the phone with Clinton overnight, the campaign manager added in a separate interview for ABC.

During his campaign, Trump said that if he wins, Clinton might end up with a special prosecutor looking into “her situation.”
If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. Because there have never been so many lies, so much deception,” he said at one of the rallies.
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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 14:10

Winter is coming wrote:da jos uvjek je ona opasna
ahem, mislila sam na njega  flower
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Post by Winter is coming 9/11/2016, 14:12

dudette wrote:
Winter is coming wrote:da jos uvjek je ona opasna
ahem, mislila sam na njega  flower
pa i on ima ogranicenu moc,nije kralj,obama je npr cesto pokusavao ignorisati i zaobilaziti senat,krsiti ustav i slicne svinjarije zato je i dobio par filibastera,pa su onda ovi bili rasisiti haha

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Post by Kermit 9/11/2016, 14:20

dudette wrote:Demokrati su si sami zabili noz u ledja jer nisu izabrali Bernia in primary elections.
Pa naravno da nisu kada je ova kelnerica u Goldman & sachsu, a Bernie autsajder
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Post by RayMabus 9/11/2016, 14:20

DEMOKRATE JOJ DOŠLE GLAVE Hilarine predsedničke snove raspršili su glasači Bernija Sandersa!
Vladimir Filipović | 09. 11. 2016 - 07:15h
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Donald Tramp je poput tornada protutnjao tradicionalno demokratskim državama i postao 45. predsednik SAD! Razlozi za ubedljiv poraz Hilari Klinton pre svega može da traži u sopstvenim redovima, lošoj kampanji, skandalima koje godinama vuče za sobom, ali i među glasačima Bernija Sandersa.

http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/demokrate-joj-dosle-glave-hilarine-predsednicke-snove-rasprsili-su-glasaci-bernija/78lxsh9


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Post by Guest 9/11/2016, 14:22

Impeachment in the United States
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