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Post by aben Sun 29 Nov - 20:43

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What they generally had in common was an awareness of the importance of Volk (this term may be translated as “folk,” “nation,” “ethnicity,” or “people”) and culture, the idea ofVolksgemeinschaft (“folk-community”), and a rejection of Marxism, liberalism, and democracy (particularly parliamentary democracy). Ideas that also were common among them was a rejection of the linear concept of history in favor of the cyclical concept, a conservative and non-Marxist form of socialism, and the establishment of an authoritarian elite.

ovo zvuči kao nrx.
inače, riči naših neokonzervativaca (batarelo, bartulica) također ugodno rezoniraju s dušama neljevičara, ali ka i svi etatisti, padaju na tom uređenju ozgor doli. politički, postoju samo tri vrste ljudi, oni koji bi u škole uveli građanski odgoj, oni koji bi uveli vjeronauk i oni koji bi razorili javne škole.
Libertarijanizam zapravo zagovara nešto što bi kao krajnju posljedicu imalo neku vrstu anarhije krojenu po mjeri plutokratske elite, "kontrolirane anarhije" ako se može koristiti takav izraz...
niko ne zno i ne more znati ča bi bila posljedica libertarijanizma, jer nemo krojača, odnosno imo puno krojača.
kad mene obuzmu sanjiva predviđanja posljedica, unda zamišljun heterogene političke tvorevine čiji se stanovnici grupiraju s obzirun na preferencije. dakle, nikakav eden, ali i nikakva anarhija. ono ča je drukčije od ostalih uređenja, a ča svojen snenon bunilu vidin, je više odgovornosti, jer je potpuno individualizirana.

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Post by kic Sun 29 Nov - 22:03

libertarijanizam želi skratiti krakove vlasti, ali istovremeno ignorira činjenicu koliko privatni kapital utječe na krojenje politike in the first place, recimo:
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Post by Guest Sun 29 Nov - 22:10

Da, da, na to sam i ja mislio..
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Post by kic Sun 29 Nov - 22:31

joj e, tražim neki roman koji mi je admiral bio preporučio prije par godina još, radi se o europskom društvu s kraja 19st. i prije ww1, te kako se u njemu zrcali većina ideja i pokreta koji su formirali kasnije XX. stoljeće, po toj knjizi Komunizam i Nacizam (evil twins) su ostavili najveći otisak na proteklom stoljeću, ali to uopće nije moralo teći tako..
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Post by Guest Mon 30 Nov - 0:23

kic wrote:joj e, tražim neki roman koji mi je admiral bio preporučio prije par godina još, radi se o europskom društvu s kraja 19st. i prije ww1, te kako se u njemu zrcali većina ideja i pokreta koji su formirali kasnije XX. stoljeće, po toj knjizi Komunizam i Nacizam (evil twins) su ostavili najveći otisak na proteklom stoljeću, ali to uopće nije moralo teći tako..
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Post by Guest Mon 30 Nov - 0:28

Meni je jedan prijatelj još davno bio preporučio nešto slično, no nikako da ga pronađem, a skupa je na netu... Čovjek bez svojstava, Robert Musil....možda je to? Beč s kraja 19. i početka 20. st.
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Post by aben Mon 30 Nov - 2:32

kic wrote:ali istovremeno ignorira činjenicu koliko privatni kapital utječe na krojenje politike in the first place, recimo:
to misliš jer ne znaš. to imo svoje ime, i naš je glovni neprijatelj.

positilo me na mene kad san bi mlod, rič je bila baš o anarhiji, i ja san ispaljivo klasične etetističke zamjerke, imajući pred očima neke krvave interegnume, kako su nas učili komunistički profesori. a iman filing da horn točno tako zamišlja anarhiju. to je ono kad ni ne zagrebeš površinu, ne moreš ni znati ča je ispod.

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Post by kic Mon 30 Nov - 2:38

mislim da nije, bar ovo na što ja mislim, iako sad mi zapeo +ovaj članak o Rathenau za oko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_Rathenau

ne znam više gdje sam pročitao da se njegovo ubojstvo smatra ritualnim okultnim činom, ne znam kako bih to precizno nazvao, jer ne mogu se sad sjetiti gdje sam to pročitao, ajme ova tema me samo vraća na stvari kojima više ne znam prava imena :D
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Post by kic Mon 30 Nov - 2:55

aben wrote: to je ono kad ni ne zagrebeš površinu, ne moreš ni znati ča je ispod.
ti si kao Bart kad se natjecao s Martinom za mjesto predsjednika razreda u Simpsonima, Martin vješa plakat "vote for me, vote against anarhy", a Bart do njega lijepi plakat "vote for me, vote for anarchy!" u tom smislu ne znam je li točan citat više :D
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Post by aben Mon 30 Nov - 3:10

kic wrote:
aben wrote: to je ono kad ni ne zagrebeš površinu, ne moreš ni znati ča je ispod.
ti si kao Bart kad se natjecao s Martinom za mjesto predsjednika razreda u Simpsonima, Martin vješa plakat "vote for me, vote against anarhy", a Bart do njega lijepi plakat "vote for me, vote for anarchy!" u tom smislu ne znam je li točan citat više :D

nis tu gljedo, 
ali bart je u kontradikciji, a jo nis:)

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Post by kic Mon 30 Nov - 3:19

aj dobro je, nemoj hijackat i ovu temu sa svojim stvarima :D
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Post by aben Mon 30 Nov - 3:26

kic wrote:aj dobro je, nemoj hijackat i ovu temu sa svojim stvarima :D
je, baš ću na to paziti:)

hijackaj ti moje teme za osvetu.

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Post by kic Mon 30 Nov - 3:30

koje tvoje teme :^0
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Post by aben Mon 30 Nov - 3:32

ops, čini se da iman upper hand:)

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Post by Guest Mon 30 Nov - 19:15

"We are still in the Age of Rationalism, which began in the eighteenth century and is now rapidly nearing its close. We are all its creatures whether we know and wish it or not. The word is familiar enough, but who knows how much it implies? It is the arrogance of the urban intellect, which, detached from its roots and no longer guided by strong instinct, looks down with contempt on the full-blooded thinking of the past and the wisdom of ancient peasant stock. It is the period in which everyone can read and write and therefore must have his say and always "knows better." This type of mind is obsessed by concepts - the new gods of the Age - and it exercises its wits on the world as it sees it. "It is no good," it says; "we could make it better; here goes, let us set up a program for a better world!" Nothing could be easier for persons of intelligence, and no doubt seems to be felt that this world will then materialize of itself. It is given a label, "Human Progress," and now that it has a name, it is. Those who doubt it are narrow reactionaries, heretics, and, what is worse, persons devoid of democratic virtue: away with them! In this wise the fear of reality was overcome by intellectual arrogance, the darkness that comes from ignorance of all things of life, spiritual poverty, lack of reverence, and, finally, world-alien stupidity - for there is nothing stupider than the rootless urban intelligence."
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Post by Guest Mon 30 Nov - 19:52

"There is a Nordic world-feeling, reaching from England to Japan, which is full of joy just because of the burden of human destiny. One challenges it for the sake of conquering it, and one goes under proudly should it prove stronger than one's own will. This was the attribute depicted in the old, genuine parts of the Mahabharata which tell of the fight between the Kurus and Pandus; in Homer, Pindar, and Aeschylus; in the Germanic sagas and in Shakespeare; in certain songs of the Chinese Shu king, and in the world of the Samurai. It is the tragic view of life, which is not yet dead, but will blossom anew in the future just as it blossomed in the World War. All the very great poets of the Nordic Cultures have been tragedians, and tragedy, from ballad and epic onward, has been the deepest form of this brave pessimism. The man who is incapable of experiencing or enduring tragedy can never be a figure of world significance. He cannot make history unless he experiences it as it really is - tragic, permeated by destiny, and in consequence meaningless, aimless, and unmoral in the eyes of the worshipers of utility. It marks the parting of the ways between the superior and subordinate ethos of human existence. The individual's life is of importance to none besides himself: the point is whether he wishes to escape from history or give his life for it. History recks nothing of human logic. Thunderstorms, earthquakes, lava streams: these are near relatives of the purposeless, elemental events of world history. Nations may go under, ancient cities of aging Cultures burn or sink in ruins, but the earth will continue to revolve calmly round the sun, and the stars to run their courses."
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Post by kic Tue 1 Dec - 0:01

gift = a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present / eng

gift = gesundheitsschädliche oder potentiell tödliche Substanz / njem

ova razlika mi je uvijek bila fora :D
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Post by Guest Tue 1 Dec - 0:07

Na švedskom:

gift - 1) vjenčan/a, 2) otrov :^0
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Post by Guest Tue 1 Dec - 0:24

kic wrote:gift = a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present / eng

gift = gesundheitsschädliche oder potentiell tödliche Substanz / njem

ova razlika mi je uvijek bila fora :D
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Post by Guest Tue 1 Dec - 0:27

Vegvísir wrote:Na švedskom:

gift - 1) vjenčan/a, 2) otrov :^0
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