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Post by Speare Shaker 31/5/2020, 18:40

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ali uvijek se nađem u deja vu situaciji.

Pa svi se nađemo i to baš onako svako malo. Ništa neobično, s obzirom da je deja vu mehanizam prilično dobro objašnjen. Riječ je o vremenskoj razlici između onoga što vidimo odnosno što naša osjetila percipiraju i (proširene) svijesti o tome.
Jasna svijest uvijek malo kasni (oko desetinke sekunde) za nekom ranijom još nekonsolidiranom percepcijom koja iz nekog razloga još nije nestala iz pamćenja i tako mi zbog tog ispreplitanja slika generiramo osjećaj da smo to već negdje vidjeli koji zapravo uopće nije lažan. Dapače.

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Speare Shaker wrote:
acid oblivion wrote:

ali uvijek se nađem u deja vu situaciji.

Pa svi se nađemo i to baš onako svako malo. Ništa neobično, s obzirom da je deja vu mehanizam prilično dobro objašnjen. Riječ je o vremenskoj razlici između onoga što vidimo odnosno što naša osjetila percipiraju i (proširene) svijesti o tome.
Jasna svijest uvijek malo kasni (oko desetinke sekunde) za nekom ranijom još nekonsolidiranom percepcijom koja iz nekog razloga još nije nestala iz pamćenja i tako mi zbog tog ispreplitanja slika generiramo osjećaj da smo to već negdje vidjeli koji zapravo uopće nije lažan. Dapače.
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Stanje zbunjenosti kad um neprestano propitkuje i producira nesigurnost, a vlastitoj intuiciji se ne vjeruje.
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zašto nastaje to stanje zbunjenosti? zašto ne vjeruje vlastitoj intuiciji?

pretpostavimo da je mativka iskrena i da zaista ne zna odgovore na svoja pitanja u što sumnjam jer moja intuicija mi govori da je mativka prepredena manipulatorska kuja kojoj je dosadno u životu pa višak dosade popunjava guslanjem forumske populacije u zdrav mozak. ali za momenat pretpostavimo da je iskrena.

stanje zbunjenosti i nevjerovanje vlastitoj intuiciji lako nastane ako živiš u sredini koja njeguje mentalitet palanke.

Stanje zbunjenosti može nastati onda kad osoba razvije alter ego da zaštiti ranjivi i potisnuti dio osobnosti. Osoba sebe doživljava kao žrtvu drugih i postoji uvjerenje da ima pravo tražiti kompenzaciju. Naravno, to je podsvjesno-svjesna igra, tj. klackalica. 
Tko ne sudjeluje u igri osobe, taj je potencijalni neprijatelj.

zbunjenost je konfuzija?

Nazovi to kako god hoćeš, ne zna tko je i ne zna što je ispravno i točno, prilagođava se momentu, izgubljeno.

i zato non stop postavlja odlično skrojena i ciljana pitanja? zbunjena osoba ne postavlja tako lucidna i smislena pitanja.

non stop postavljanje pitanja je jedna od hipnotičkih metoda kako ljude ufurati u poluhipnotičko stanje transa a kojemu ljudi da bi izbjegli traže bilo kakav izlaz iz tog bombardiranja pitanjima. ti si se snašla i nadozidala jedan kat iznad ovog gdje ljudi mogu pobjeći.

pročitaj ovo pa ćeš skužit:

Have you ever sat there feeling confused, frustrated or running out of patience listening to someone talk and talk?

There is actually a method manipulators use to confuse you into compliance so that they can get their way with you. It is something you may not know is happening, but once you understand it, you can predict it and even get out of it before it’s too late.

Transcript follows.

I want to share with you something that I learned a long time ago in the world of hypnosis. I have been certified by two schools of hypnosis and I learned a lot about the subconscious mind that is very, very helpful when it comes to learning how people influence you.

I became fascinated by the subconscious mind and fascinated by influence, both ethical and unethical. Not that I practiced the unethical, at least not consciously, because I’ve certainly had my moments, especially in my marriage where I was not very ethical. I was a good manipulator.

Coming out of that, and looking back, I can see the techniques or methods that I used and I didn’t even know I was doing it.

In the world of hypnosis there is a term called The Confusion Technique, and manipulators of all types will use confusion to put you in sort of a trance- like state. What I mean by that, I don’t know if you’ve ever listened to someone’s monologue or lecture, or just sat there waiting for someone to stop talking and they were talking about something that didn’t quite make it into your logical brain; you didn’t understand it, you just sat there going “Well, I can get some of this but not all of it.” Maybe like a highly scientific lecture if you’re not scientific, or someone talking about how to fix a car in a lot of detail, and you have no idea what they’re talking about because they’re using car terminology.

You can get confused! You can start to zone out, and you might sit there like a deer in the headlights waiting for them to stop. This is actually a trance induction technique in hypnosis that is not used as often as it used to be, as far as I know. I haven’t been in that world for a long time, but it is still used conversationally, and hopefully for good, but it is also used for bad. A lot of people do it without even knowing they know what they’re doing.

What I mean is they don’t know they’re causing you to go into a trance or zoned-out like state so they just keep doing it because it seems to work. It’s like when a dog figures out how to get a snack by turning around or begging or staring at you with those cute eyes and you’ll eventually give them a snack, some people will, and when you give them a snack they realized “Oh, what I just did worked!”

A lot of people that want to manipulate you will use this technique, again probably unknowingly, because they just learned what works, and they just repeat it but they don’t realize they’re using it.

So why do they do it? They want to put you in a trance-like or zoned-out state so that you look for any escape.

Now there is a logic to this, when someone is doing this to you – when they talk to you about things you aren’t familiar with or aren’t sure about. A good example of this is a technique in hypnosis.

Follow along if you can:

Take your right hand and put it on your left leg. And as you watch your right hand, left sitting there on the leg, I want you to lift your left hand right in front of you and take it, and put it on your right leg. And as it sits right there left, all by itself, take the left hand and put it over the right hand and right away you will be left thinking that the left hand is right on top of the right hand. And if you noticed the right hand, if you turned it around and leave it left sitting on your left arm, you will start to get a warm feeling in your chest and you will feel so good being able to put your hands by your side and just relax.

You might have followed along, but a lot of people will try and follow that and get caught up in the left/right thing so their brain will try to connect the dots and follow this linear progression that I am doing, but the brain tends to get confused because there are just so many ways I am using right and left. Am I talking about the hand or am I just saying the word right and is that right? And is it on the right/ And what does that mean?

You notice that at the end I stopped saying it and I took you out of the confusion. I said ‘you feel more relaxed and you feel this warm feeling in your chest as you put your hands down by your side.’ That is something the brain can really comprehend and latch onto, and wants to do.

This is part of what makes the confusion technique work so well is that somebody can confuse you by continuing to talk to you about something that either you have no interest in or they know that you’re not going to be able to follow along very well, so they are going to continue talking and talking and talking, and what your brain is doing is looking for an escape. It’s looking for something it understands. It’s looking for something that makes it feel better.

What makes it feel better? How about a subliminal command? How about something that says “and you will do this for me”?

This is exactly what happened to my wife and me when we were married. We were sitting outside a restaurant and I think we were getting ready to go. It was at night. Somebody walked up to the car, to my side the passenger side window. I rolled it down an inch or two and this guy just started talking, “Hey, I just want to ask you a question. My sister’s in the hospital and I don’t have any gas” and he just went on and on and on.

He told us this long story. And both of us were kind of caught off guard, which is another hypnotic technique. If you’re caught off guard, it’s kind of like a pattern interrupt. Your pattern is interrupted so you go into this trance-like state.

He had so many facets to his story that it was very hard to keep up. My wife and I just sat there waiting for his story to end and it wouldn’t end and we both wanted it to end badly.

He finally hit the end and he finally got to the part where he said “And I just need to borrow some money.” It was just someone asking for money but he had this long convoluted story that he knew worked because we both reached in and grabbed $1 and gave it to him.

When he left we both looked at each other and asked “What just happened?” We felt completely hypnotized. We wanted him to stop talking so badly that when he asked for $1 it was like saying “I will shut up if you pay me” and this is part of the manipulation that can happen.

I’ve seen other people on the street do this same technique but I’ve also seen it in many, many relationships. I’ve seen many people do this where they will put someone in a state of impatience, frustration, and confusion, until they get to the point where they’re so frustrated, impatient or confused that they’re looking for any way out.

And what is that way? The way out is going to be what the manipulator wants and that’s what we tend to listen for is “What do they want?”, because you probably want them to stop talking.

You’ll get to the point where you’ll do anything to make them stop talking and then they’ll get their way because the problem is, we are in a state of confusion and we don’t want to be in a state of confusion because it’s very uncomfortable and we’re looking for the easy escape. We are looking for the path out of there. This can happen over and over again.

I had a client send me a recording of her and her husband and her husband would not stop talking. He would not stop talking. He kept talking to her and talking to her. This is the same thing that my girlfriend went through with her ex-husband. She told me of his monologues that continued on and on and on and then I got to experience it for myself.

I’ve actually talked to this guy and he doesn’t stop talking. He just keeps talking, and not that I’m saying over-talking is a bad thing, but it is when it’s used in a manipulation. And I’m not saying he was trying to manipulate me, but I don’t know.

When he was married he would use that as a way not to talk about what really needed to be talked about, which was his behavior, or something that he wanted to get away with or something that he didn’t want to talk about so he would talk and talk and talk about something else. This excessive talking can often be a part of the confusion technique to get you into a space that you just want a way out of.

You might sit there for 10, 15, 20 or 30 minutes, listening to this and looking for that door, the proverbial door. You’re looking for that way out… and what way out do they give you? They give you something that benefits them and not you. I want you to be aware of techniques like this and I’ll share more in future episodes. The confusion technique is often used unknowingly.

I don’t think there’s a book for manipulation, well there might be on unethical influencing of people, but we all need to know what’s possible. We all need to know how we end up being in these trance-like states, even though you may not have called it that, but that’s what they are.

We are in these trance-like states and we’re looking for a way out of it. We don’t want to stay there, we don’t want to stay frustrated and we don’t want to stay in this place of impatience. We don’t want to be confused. We want to feel more comfortable and when our brain is confused, when we’re confused, when we’re uncomfortable we feel it and we don’t like it and we will do most anything to get out of it. The unethical person will know this and they will use it against us.

Some people don’t even know they’re doing it. They just know what they do works and how they get what they want works. So if you ever find yourself in this state of “Why did I just do that? Why do I always give in? Why do I keep continually give him or her what he or she wants?” It may have to do with you looking for that easy way out.

One way to counter this, and it’s not easy, is to continually stop the person doing this, continually stop them and say, “Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean by that? Wait, wait back up. When you said this what did that mean? When you said that did you mean this?” Now that’s one way.

There are probably other methods, but what you’re trying to do is continually interrupt their pattern. And again, that may be hard, because you may have already established the type of communication relationship that you have and it’s hard to break that. If you suddenly start going,”Wait, wait, wait. Back up, back up”, they may go “What?” and they may get frustrated themselves. Maybe that’s where you want them. Maybe it’s time to take over the conversation.

This is another way to break this old pattern is you take over the conversation and you stop staring like a deer in the headlights waiting for them to stop. Again, that’s a tough thing to do., but at least if you know about this, then you can almost predict what’s going to happen next. You can almost predict that they are going to lead you down a road that they want you to be on because they know that you’re going to be so frustrated or confused where you are that you’re more willing to accept that.

In hypnosis this can be used in an ethical way. You can be confused with the right/left thing and then I might say during those stressful moments you’ll feel so relaxed, and that will be more likely taken as a command in your subconscious mind so that you get out of confusion and not only do you get out of confusion, now you have a warming thought, a comfortable thought that you can actually latch on to and utilize when you need it. Unfortunately, manipulators don’t do that. They instead take you down a different road and they get what they want. It has nothing to do with what’s in your best and highest interest and only theirs.

I wanted to share this confusion technique with you. It’s not necessarily an emotional abuse term or a manipulation term. It does come from the world of hypnosis. There are many facets to understanding manipulative language, poisonous language, and toxic language. In this case what I talked about today comes from an ethical place, comes from a positive place where people will use it in a healthy way to help someone through challenges they’re having. But people twist things and people use things.

Like if you’re compassionate and kind and generous a manipulator and emotional abuser will use those things against you. They will turn your compassion against you. They will turn your kindness against you. They will use your compassion to get what they want, because they will play the victim or they will set up a scenario where they know you’ll be compassionate for someone else so it serves them in some way.

There are so many facets to this and so much we can get into; lots of episodes coming.

Share this with someone who might need it.

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Post by aben 31/5/2020, 19:39

Speare Shaker wrote:
mativka wrote:
Ukoliko bi bili samo razumna bića, kako bi svijet izgledao?

Nikako, jer bi nam takav svijet bio potpuno nerazumljiv, ako bi uopće mogao postojati.
Naime, emocije i razum ne samo da nisu u sukobu nego se i međusobno prožimaju pa čak i uvjetuju.
Nema emocija bez razuma i nema razuma bez emocija.
To ne kažem (samo) ja, to kaže (i) Antonio Damasio u svojoj knjizi Osjećaj zbivanja (i drugim radovima i prilozima).

ne zun ča si misli da mativki znoči 'ukoliko', ali to njoj znoči 'ako'.

i zoto, ako bi bili samo razumna bića, unda bi svit izgljedo robotski, ko vulkanski.

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da, gledao sam par njegovih klipova, sjajan glas ima, i art koji koristi je predivan..

krajem godine film? bit ce zanimljivo..

Mislim da ce ih biti vise... Pretpistavljam da planira uprizoriti citav serijal?

valjda..

uvijek se sjetim ovoj sjajnog Dyerovog članka, i koliko trgovina narkoticima i religija i u nasem svijetu udaraju ritam odnosa..

https://jaysanalysis.com/2013/12/28/dune-1965-novel-esoteric-analysis/

Hej, zar ti nisam ja poslala taj clanak prije koju godinu? : D

pa, sjećam se da mi je asilovski slao ovo zapravo, tako da prije obrnuto..

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Post by Guest 31/5/2020, 20:43

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Stanje zbunjenosti kad um neprestano propitkuje i producira nesigurnost, a vlastitoj intuiciji se ne vjeruje.
Pat pozicija.

Što je zapravo vrlo razumno, barem do određene mjere (zbunjenost do razine pat pozicije), jer se intuicija praktički bezbroj puta do sada pokazala kao prilično nepouzdan alat.

Hm. Intuicija je uvijek pouzdana, no prepredeni um i podsvjesni programi rade svoje i u tom slučaju je intuitivni dio zasjenjen.
To jest osoba ne raspoznaje intuitivnu informaciju od konstrukcije (lažljivog) uma.

Da je bar tako, jer bi nam u tom slučaju život bio puno jednostavniji, ali bojim se da nije.
Intuicija je ionako samo mali dio uma i to onaj koji do svojih zaključaka i dolazi u podsvijesti, pa bih rekao kako je zapravo intuicija ta kojoj se prije može dati obilježje lažljivosti nego nazovimo ga tako svjesni i racionalni um.
No, to ne znači da nam intuicija uvijek laže ili da nas njeni zaključci uvijek varaju, jer svi iz iskustva znamo da uopće nije tako.

Pa ako baš hoćeš točno locirati intuiciju, rekla bih da je to veza između svjesnog i nesvjesnog uma. Problem je uvijek isti, kad svjesni um ide "pametovati" o tome što je upravo dobio kao spoznaju, odnosno informaciju.
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Post by Guest 31/5/2020, 20:56

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Nazovi to kako god hoćeš, ne zna tko je i ne zna što je ispravno i točno, prilagođava se momentu, izgubljeno.

i zato non stop postavlja odlično skrojena i ciljana pitanja?  zbunjena osoba ne postavlja tako lucidna i smislena pitanja.

non stop postavljanje pitanja je jedna od hipnotičkih metoda kako ljude ufurati u poluhipnotičko stanje transa a kojemu ljudi da bi izbjegli traže bilo kakav izlaz iz tog bombardiranja pitanjima. ti si se snašla i nadozidala jedan kat iznad ovog gdje ljudi mogu pobjeći.

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Ako bi osoba zaista namjerno postavljala pitanja da zaluđuje ljude, tada to ne želim niti komentirati.. Neki elementi su prisutni poput odbacivanja i eliminacije ako nema ugađanja i tetošenja. Zasad želim dobronamjerno misliti da je u pitanju zbunjenost koja se događa pod utjecajem različitih programa. Poučena nekim primjerima iz života gdje su se ljudi prilično dobro maskirali, u životu uvijek nastojim biti otvorena da vidim i prihvatim sve mogućnosti, te da uskladim sebe prema tome što je.

Pročitala sam sve što si stavio, tematika je jako zanimljiva. Poznata mi je iz literature i sa edukacija. Meni osobno je najdraže u takvim slučajevima napraviti prekid rapporta da se zaustavi naučeni obrazac plesa. Nakon prekida se može iznova, ako postoji volja, ako je nema i to je dobro.
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Post by Speare Shaker 31/5/2020, 21:00

venus wrote:
Speare Shaker wrote:
venus wrote:
Speare Shaker wrote:
venus wrote:

Stanje zbunjenosti kad um neprestano propitkuje i producira nesigurnost, a vlastitoj intuiciji se ne vjeruje.
Pat pozicija.

Što je zapravo vrlo razumno, barem do određene mjere (zbunjenost do razine pat pozicije), jer se intuicija praktički bezbroj puta do sada pokazala kao prilično nepouzdan alat.

Hm. Intuicija je uvijek pouzdana, no prepredeni um i podsvjesni programi rade svoje i u tom slučaju je intuitivni dio zasjenjen.
To jest osoba ne raspoznaje intuitivnu informaciju od konstrukcije (lažljivog) uma.

Da je bar tako, jer bi nam u tom slučaju život bio puno jednostavniji, ali bojim se da nije.
Intuicija je ionako samo mali dio uma i to onaj koji do svojih zaključaka i dolazi u podsvijesti, pa bih rekao kako je zapravo intuicija ta kojoj se prije može dati obilježje lažljivosti nego nazovimo ga tako svjesni i racionalni um.
No, to ne znači da nam intuicija uvijek laže ili da nas njeni zaključci uvijek varaju, jer svi iz iskustva znamo da uopće nije tako.

Pa ako baš hoćeš točno locirati intuiciju, rekla bih da je to veza između svjesnog i nesvjesnog uma. Problem je uvijek isti, kad svjesni um ide "pametovati" o tome što je upravo dobio kao spoznaju, odnosno informaciju.

Pa na neki način i jest. Samo ne baš u tom obliku. Naime, kada um krene rješavati neki problem, onda to obično prvo čini svjesno. Zatim se dogodi da u nekom trenutku iz nekog razloga odustane, ali se to rješavanje ne događa samo u jasnoj svijesti nego se nastavi i na podsvjesnoj razini.
Tamo se tiho odvija dok jednog dana riješenje samo ne izroni iz podsvijesti i onda mi to intepretiramo kao dostignuće naše intuicije. No, to je zapravo samo još jedan riješen zadatak od strane uma, nebitno što se proces rješavanja odvijao na nesvjesnoj razini.

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Pa na neki način i jest. Samo ne baš u tom obliku. Naime, kada um krene rješavati neki problem, onda to obično prvo čini svjesno. Zatim se dogodi da u nekom trenutku iz nekog razloga odustane, ali se to rješavanje ne događa samo u jasnoj svijesti nego se nastavi i na podsvjesnoj razini.
Tamo se tiho odvija dok jednog dana riješenje samo ne izroni iz podsvijesti i onda mi to intepretiramo kao dostignuće naše intuicije. No, to je zapravo samo još jedan riješen zadatak od strane uma, nebitno što se proces rješavanja odvijao na nesvjesnoj razini.

Gle, možemo mi sad do nemila i nedraga lamentirati..intuiciju su spominjali poznati starogrčki filozofi, mnogi psiholozi, i svatko je imao svoju definiciju i viđenje. Kakogod, uz spoznaje i sama sam doživjela x puta "divine intervention" koji se racionalno ne može objasniti.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/11/accelerationism-how-a-fringe-philosophy-predicted-the-future-we-live-in?

Accelerationists argue that technology, particularly computer technology, and capitalism, particularly the most aggressive, global variety, should be massively sped up and intensified – either because this is the best way forward for humanity, or because there is no alternative. Accelerationists favour automation. They favour the further merging of the digital and the human. They often favour the deregulation of business, and drastically scaled-back government. They believe that people should stop deluding themselves that economic and technological progress can be controlled. They often believe that social and political upheaval has a value in itself.

Land wrote in 1992 that capitalism had never been properly unleashed, but instead had always been held back by politics, “the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind”. He dismissed Europe as a sclerotic, increasingly marginal place, “the racial trash-can of Asia”. And he saw civilisation everywhere accelerating towards an apocalypse
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Accelerationists argue that technology, particularly computer technology, and capitalism, particularly the most aggressive, global variety, should be massively sped up and intensified – either because this is the best way forward for humanity, or because there is no alternative. Accelerationists favour automation. They favour the further merging of the digital and the human. They often favour the deregulation of business, and drastically scaled-back government. They believe that people should stop deluding themselves that economic and technological progress can be controlled. They often believe that social and political upheaval has a value in itself.

Land wrote in 1992 that capitalism had never been properly unleashed, but instead had always been held back by politics, “the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind”. He dismissed Europe as a sclerotic, increasingly marginal place, “the racial trash-can of Asia”. And he saw civilisation everywhere accelerating towards an apocalypse

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kic wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/11/accelerationism-how-a-fringe-philosophy-predicted-the-future-we-live-in?

Accelerationists argue that technology, particularly computer technology, and capitalism, particularly the most aggressive, global variety, should be massively sped up and intensified – either because this is the best way forward for humanity, or because there is no alternative. Accelerationists favour automation. They favour the further merging of the digital and the human. They often favour the deregulation of business, and drastically scaled-back government. They believe that people should stop deluding themselves that economic and technological progress can be controlled. They often believe that social and political upheaval has a value in itself.

Land wrote in 1992 that capitalism had never been properly unleashed, but instead had always been held back by politics, “the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind”. He dismissed Europe as a sclerotic, increasingly marginal place, “the racial trash-can of Asia”. And he saw civilisation everywhere accelerating towards an apocalypse

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sve što rade je zapravo ubrzavanje pada zapada..
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violator wrote:. I, negdje putem, jako se razbolis.


 
bolest je dobra, upozorava nas na stanje u kojem se nalazimo.
ideja da čovjek ne osjeća bol je super na papiru sve dok nesvjesno ne nasloni ruku na brusilicu i tamo je ostavi jer ga ništa ne upozorava da oštrica reže istu.
da bi se dogodilo proljeće moraju prvo biti jesen i zima jer bi inače te stvari prepoznavali samo po brojkama kalendara. proljeće je najljepše godišnje doba ali ga ne bi bilo da nije bilo tuge jeseni i zime.



Ono sto je zajednicko i skolskoj i alternativnoj medicini jest da na bolest gledaju kao poremecaj, disfunkciju, abnormalnost organizma.


No sto kada bismo o bolesti razmisljali kao posebnom programu koji se pokrece kad se jedinka nadje u nekoj izuzetno stresnoj situaciji, a taj poseban (bioloski) program aka bolest, zapravo, pokrece odredjene promjene u organiznu ne bi li se uz pomoc tih promjena jedinka bolje snasla, odnosno, izvukla iz takve stresne, za nju stetne, situacije?


To su neke misli kojima se bavim vec duze vrijeme, a tvoj sam komentar vise shvatila na ovaj nacin.
volim gledati stvari na svoj način kao prazan list. dobro si shvatila moj komentar. sve na ovom svijetu ima ctrl+alt+del tako i mi kao ljudi, kada znamo da je nešto pokvareno popraviti ćemo, bolest je isto takva; upozorenje na nešto, osim urođenih bolesti koje su jednostavno greške sustava, greške na proizvodnoj traci. Bilo jednom… ljudsko tijelo.
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Post by Guest 1/6/2020, 10:30

ne razumijem zašto je mativka izložena bizarnim ad hominem napadima..
zbog načina pisanja?
smetaju njena pitanja toliko da ju se zbog njih proglašava ni manje ni više nego sociopatom?
ali zapravo je mativka jedina osoba koja nikoga ne proziva ni zbog nacionalnih ni zbog političkih ni zbog vjerskih i sličnih tomu uvjerenja i koja prihvaća ama baš svaku različitost bez ijedne riječi osude..
zbog čega smeta takva osoba na forumu?
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Post by Guest 1/6/2020, 10:39

Mativka je osoba zlatnog srca što sam iskusila i sama kad sam je jednom žestoko napala.. 


LJUDI ZLATNOG SRCA: Imate li ovih pet osobina?


 

Ljudi zlatnog srca zaista su blagoslov svakom životu. Oni su zraci sunca u nečijoj mračnoj duši.
Njihova ljubaznost i samilost su uvijek prisutni uprkos teškim vremenima kroz koja prolaze. Oni uglavnom postoje kako bi pokazali ljubav onima koji je nisu realizovali. Kako biste doznali imate li vi ili neko koga poznajete zlatno srce, provjerite imate li slijedeće kvalitete!
1. Oni prirodno šire ljubav i iscjeljenje
Bez obzira na prošlost osobe, ljudi sa zlatnim srcem mogu je prihvatiti i voljeti onakvu kakva jeste. Oni ne osuđuju druge niti im uskraćuju ljubav. U njima se nalazi apsolutna saosjećajnost i ljubaznost.
Zbog toga, povrijeđeni i odbačeni ljudi ih traže jer znaju da ih oni nikada neće odbiti. U njima pronalaze iscjeljenje koje traže.
2. Beskrajno opraštaju
Ljudi zlatnog srca mogu da opraštaju bez ograničenja. Izuzetno su milosrdni i nikada se neće promijeniti, čak i ako ih drugi iskorišćavaju, piše Life coach code.Oni vide dobro u svim ljudima jer jednostavno ne mogu da budu nedosljedni. Čak i ako ih drugi povrijede svojim ponašanjem, to ne utiče na njih.
3. Oni ne zamjeraju
Uprkos tome što ih drugi iskorišćavaju, oni ne zamjeraju. Nemaju vremena da mrze druge zato što troše svoju energiju na iscjeljivanje drugih ljudi umjesto da ih mrze. Za zamjeranje nema mjesta u njihovim srcima.
4. Oni se ne svete
Ljudi zlatnog srca ne samo da ne mijenjaju svoj odnos prema ljudima koji su ih povrijedili, već mogu da im sve oproste i zaborave.Nikad ne planiraju osvetu. Umjesto toga, vjeruju da ljudi rade ono što rade iz određenog razloga.
5. Ništa ih ne može pobijediti
Bez obzira na vremena kada ih zlonamjerni ljudi povrjeđuju, ljudi zlatnog srca ostaju ponosni i puni samopouzdanja i nikad se ne osjećaju pobijeđeno.Čak i ako nikad ne dobiju zahvalnost ili bilo koji oblik priznanja za njihovu ljubaznost i dobrotu, nikada ne prestaju da čine dobra djela.
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Post by aben 1/6/2020, 10:41

kic wrote:
aben wrote:
kic wrote:
h.

Land wrote in 1992 that capitalism had never been properly unleashed, but instead had always been held back by politics, “the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind”. He dismissed Europe as a sclerotic, increasingly marginal place, “the racial trash-can of Asia”. And he saw civilisation everywhere accelerating towards an apocalypse

malo nrx a prije spavanja, eli

ae

sve što rade je zapravo ubrzavanje pada zapada..

nis zno ovo o landu.
pretpostavi sun da je ko moldbug, knjiški moljac. ni dobro ka štreberi zloupotrebljavaju droge, oni zbog nečega mislu da će in to proširiti percepciju i spoznaju.

čudan in je i smjer filozofije, niti jednon nisu spomenuli pravednost. ne razumin ča će in budućnost, ma koliko tehnološki napredna, ako ne bude pravednija. kapitalizam su, vidin, prihvatili ne jer je pravedniji, nego jer je produktivniji.

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Post by aben 1/6/2020, 10:46

metilda wrote:
ali zapravo je mativka jedina osoba koja nikoga ne proziva ni zbog nacionalnih ni zbog političkih ni zbog vjerskih i sličnih tomu uvjerenja i koja prihvaća ama baš svaku različitost bez ijedne riječi osude..
zbog čega smeta takva osoba na forumu?

ne smeto, ali to ni ne pomože.
mi vode odvojomo žito od kukolja, a da bi se to moglo, valja konstantno prozivati nacijonalna, politička, vjerska i slična uvjerenja.

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aben wrote:
metilda wrote:
ali zapravo je mativka jedina osoba koja nikoga ne proziva ni zbog nacionalnih ni zbog političkih ni zbog vjerskih i sličnih tomu uvjerenja i koja prihvaća ama baš svaku različitost bez ijedne riječi osude..
zbog čega smeta takva osoba na forumu?

ne smeto, ali to ni ne pomože.
mi vode odvojomo žito od kukolja, a da bi se to moglo, valja konstantno prozivati nacijonalna,  politička, vjerska i slična uvjerenja.

mativkin način komunikacije i poticanja razmišljanja o nekim drugim/važnijim životnim uvjerenjima su upravo njena pitanja..
čemu je napadati zbog njih?
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metilda wrote:
aben wrote:
metilda wrote:
ali zapravo je mativka jedina osoba koja nikoga ne proziva ni zbog nacionalnih ni zbog političkih ni zbog vjerskih i sličnih tomu uvjerenja i koja prihvaća ama baš svaku različitost bez ijedne riječi osude..
zbog čega smeta takva osoba na forumu?

ne smeto, ali to ni ne pomože.
mi vode odvojomo žito od kukolja, a da bi se to moglo, valja konstantno prozivati nacijonalna,  politička, vjerska i slična uvjerenja.

mativkin način komunikacije i poticanja razmišljanja o nekim drugim/važnijim životnim uvjerenjima su upravo njena pitanja..
čemu je napadati zbog njih?

pa da bi se došlo do istine. ne smi se nikome nišće oprostiti, jer unda more zavladati laž

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aben wrote:
metilda wrote:
aben wrote:
metilda wrote:
ali zapravo je mativka jedina osoba koja nikoga ne proziva ni zbog nacionalnih ni zbog političkih ni zbog vjerskih i sličnih tomu uvjerenja i koja prihvaća ama baš svaku različitost bez ijedne riječi osude..
zbog čega smeta takva osoba na forumu?

ne smeto, ali to ni ne pomože.
mi vode odvojomo žito od kukolja, a da bi se to moglo, valja konstantno prozivati nacijonalna,  politička, vjerska i slična uvjerenja.

mativkin način komunikacije i poticanja razmišljanja o nekim drugim/važnijim životnim uvjerenjima su upravo njena pitanja..
čemu je napadati zbog njih?

pa da bi se došlo do istine.  ne smi se nikome nišće oprostiti, jer unda more zavladati laž

a što je laž a što istina? - da se poslužim mativkinim načinom
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Post by aben 1/6/2020, 11:35

metilda wrote:
aben wrote:
metilda wrote:
aben wrote:
metilda wrote:
ali zapravo je mativka jedina osoba koja nikoga ne proziva ni zbog nacionalnih ni zbog političkih ni zbog vjerskih i sličnih tomu uvjerenja i koja prihvaća ama baš svaku različitost bez ijedne riječi osude..
zbog čega smeta takva osoba na forumu?

ne smeto, ali to ni ne pomože.
mi vode odvojomo žito od kukolja, a da bi se to moglo, valja konstantno prozivati nacijonalna,  politička, vjerska i slična uvjerenja.

mativkin način komunikacije i poticanja razmišljanja o nekim drugim/važnijim životnim uvjerenjima su upravo njena pitanja..
čemu je napadati zbog njih?

pa da bi se došlo do istine.  ne smi se nikome nišće oprostiti, jer unda more zavladati laž

a što je laž a što istina? - da se poslužim mativkinim načinom

ne zun, ali znun ki put vodi u istinu, a ki u laž.


strategija neprozivanja, prihvaćanja i slično možda imo svojih prednosti, ali siguro ne u traženju istine

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