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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 09:47


vadio sam neke dijelove..

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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 15:11

jo nis nišće, 
jer mi je sve poznato,


osin herberta spencera,  i knjige man versus the state. oduševia me svojin predviđanjima o restućen fašizmu liberalnih država, koja su se obistinila. na našu žalost.
knjiga je dodana na moj must read, i možda van je podvalin kad me ponovo dojde red.

The belief, not only of the socialists but also of those so-called Liberals who are diligently preparing the way for them, is that by due skill an ill-working humanity may be framed into well-working institutions. It is a delusion. The defective natures of citizens will show themselves in the bad acting of whatever social structure they are arranged into. There is no political alchemy by which you can get golden conduct out of leaden instincts.

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 18:50


da, malo je Spencer zanemaren danas, velikan slavnog 19.st..
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 18:57

Even in his Preface to The Man Versus the State he pointed out how "increase in freedom on form" was being followed by "decrease of freedom in fact...." Regulations have been made in yearly growing numbers, restraining the citizen in directions where his actions were previously unchecked, and compelling actions which previously he might perform or not as he liked; and at the same time heavier public burdens ... have further restricted his freedom, by lessening that portion of his earnings which he can spend as he pleases, and augmenting the portion taken from him to be spent as public agents please. In his first chapter, "The New Toryism," Spencer contends that "most of those who now pass as Liberals, are Tories of a new type." The Liberals of his own day, he points out, had already "lost sight of the truth that in past times Liberalism habitually stood for individual freedom versus State-coercion." So the complete Anglo-American switch of reference, by which a "liberal" today has come to mean primarily a State-interventionist, had already begun in 1884

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 19:07

aben wrote:Even in his Preface to The Man Versus the State he pointed out how "increase in freedom on form" was being followed by "decrease of freedom in fact...."

ovo mi se svidjelo kad sam citao i spremio sam, podsjeca me na uvod knjige Tri musketira..
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 19:15

kic wrote:
aben wrote:Even in his Preface to The Man Versus the State he pointed out how "increase in freedom on form" was being followed by "decrease of freedom in fact...."

ovo mi se svidjelo kad sam citao i spremio sam, podsjeca me na uvod knjige Tri musketira..

ajme meni, ti ćeš nan podvaliti književnost 100 posto :)

te krilatice su odrazi genija. 
ali, jo ne morin ne usporediti njihovo vrime s našin. zamisli ti to, u njegovo vrime moji pranane i pradidi su bili u zemlji do kolina, a danas svaki čovik imo šansu biti intelektualac, bar na internetu. ot golemi bazen potencijala nas je dove točno tamo di je spencer bi, nigdi. isti problemi, ista "rješenja".

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 19:21


sta fali malo osebujne literature, ovaj Hazlitt me udavio s tablicama za koje me nije iskreno briga :D

zanimljivo to sto velis, danas smo svi "intelegencija" kako se August Cesarec rugao, a isti problemi i "rjesenja", zato imam taj otpor prema uranjanju u debate, mislim najvise na one uzivo, mislim da je produktivnije za covjeka da potrosi dan pokusavajuci napravit nesto sto mu se ne da, neki manualni rad..
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 19:59

kic wrote:
sta fali malo osebujne literature, ovaj Hazlitt me udavio s tablicama za koje me nije iskreno briga :D

zanimljivo to sto velis, danas smo svi "intelegencija" kako se August Cesarec rugao, a isti problemi i "rjesenja", zato imam taj otpor prema uranjanju u debate, mislim najvise na one uzivo, mislim da je produktivnije za covjeka da potrosi dan pokusavajuci napravit nesto sto  mu se ne da, neki manualni rad..
 još s ejednon ispričavan, 
jo sun ga izabro upravo zoto ča je novinar, jer sun misli da će se obraćati širokoj publici...
inače, neki dun san si zacrto ovo leto prečitati malo književnosti, ruga mi se gospođa da sun neobrazovan:( i odluka je pala na lord of the flies....

arbeit macht frei:) 
meni se čini da je meni potribno točno 58 posto intelektualnog rada, 28 posto manualnog i 14 posto odmora na sedmicu.

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Post by Guest 12/3/2017, 20:17

Ja sam vise za knjizevnost.

Uvijek isto pitanje: kako poboljsati zivotne uvjete....
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 21:50

mativka wrote:Ja sam vise za knjizevnost.

Uvijek isto pitanje: kako poboljsati zivotne uvjete....
a, je i ti misliš da je dobro na to pitanje odgovarati istin odgovoron?

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 21:56


nego, šta sad, pričamo o knjizi još ili..
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 21:58

kic wrote:
nego, šta sad, pričamo o knjizi još ili..
ne, 
knjiga je promašaj za diskusiju. 


ki je na redu?

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 22:18


ne znam, svejedno..
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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 22:47


ako netko nema neš protiv, predlažem sf roman od Stanislawa Lema: Eden..

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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 22:53

U mojoj knjižnici nemo,  imo li na netu?

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 22:57


ima, ako hoćeš srpski prijevod, uploadao sam je s nizom drugih SF knjiga ovdje baš neki dan:

mediafire.com file/pqt0pqmo4sb6wyy/Polaris_txt_.rar

ima 186str kad prebacim tekst u word..
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 23:07

Im in,
Kad je ded lajn?

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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 23:09


a ne znam, bar a week
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Post by kic 12/3/2017, 23:09


Lem mi je jedan od najdražih pisaca, a nisam ovu čitao, eto mali uvod, nije skroz random..
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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 23:10

A,  solaris... Jo isko eden...

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Post by aben 12/3/2017, 23:11

Ok,  prijave do sutra uvecer,  pa na poso

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