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Post by kic 13/12/2015, 18:43

night sky wrote:samo si zaboravio spomenuti da svi oni završe na stolu čovjeka...

na čijem stolu završi on?
ne mozemo sve ni suditi po ishodima, jer sve se na kraju nekako i izjednaci..


I feel that we all know when we act well or badly. I feel ethics is beyond discussion. For example, I have acted badly many times, but when I do it, I know that it is wrong. It is not because of the consequences. In the long run, consequences even up, don't you think? It is the fact itself of doing good or doing bad. Stevenson said that in the same way a ruffian knows there are things he should not do, so a tiger or an ant knows there are things they should not do. The moral law pervades everything. Again the idea is ''God is in the making.'' What about truth? I don't know. It would be very strange for us to be able to understand it. In one of my short stories I speak about that. I was rereading ''The Divine Comedy,'' and, as you will remember, in the first canto, Dante has two or three animals, and one of them is a leopard. The editor points out that a leopard was brought to Florence in Dante's time and that Dante, like any citizen of Florence, must have seen that leopard, and so he put a leopard into the first canto of the ''Inferno.'' In my story, ''Inferno, I, 32,'' I imagine that in a dream the leopard is told it has been created so Dante can see it and use it in his poem. The leopard understands that in the dream, but when he awakens, naturally, how could he understand that he exists only so a man could write a poem and use him in it? And I said that if the reason he wrote ''The Divine Comedy'' had been revealed to Dante, he could have understood it in a dream but not when he awoke. That reason would be as complex for Dante as the other one was for the leopard.
https://www.nytimes.com/books/97/08/31/reviews/borges-barili.html

ovca je barem zivjela na odredjeni nacin slobodan zivot..
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Post by jack_reacher 13/12/2015, 19:49

kic wrote:bas danas gledam neko stado ovaca i mislim si, jebote, nije im ni lose, setaju se po lijepim travnjacima, na cistom su zraku i vodi, besplatno ih sisaju, paze ih veliki ovcari i istina postoji strah od vukova, ali ako zapravo covjek pogleda, postoji tek oko pola mijuna vukova u cijelom svijetu, dok je pasa jedno 50m tako da su to good odds prijatelja opet, sigurno im je bolje nego svinjama koje se ne mogu okreniti u vlastitom toru i gdje se krmace rasploduju danas umjetno.. joj ode ja bolje da stanem :kek

neka neka,treba i za to imat talenta,mislim za čuvat ovce,napravit sir ili dobro (p)osušit pršut,oduvijek me to fasciniralo na selu(dalmatinska zagora,lika,slavonija ili istra?).. :thumbup1
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Post by night sky 14/12/2015, 16:28

kic wrote:
night sky wrote:samo si zaboravio spomenuti da svi oni završe na stolu čovjeka...

na čijem stolu završi on?
ne mozemo sve ni suditi po ishodima, jer sve se na kraju nekako i izjednaci..


I feel that we all know when we act well or badly. I feel ethics is beyond discussion. For example, I have acted badly many times, but when I do it, I know that it is wrong. It is not because of the consequences. In the long run, consequences even up, don't you think? It is the fact itself of doing good or doing bad. Stevenson said that in the same way a ruffian knows there are things he should not do, so a tiger or an ant knows there are things they should not do. The moral law pervades everything. Again the idea is ''God is in the making.'' What about truth? I don't know. It would be very strange for us to be able to understand it. In one of my short stories I speak about that. I was rereading ''The Divine Comedy,'' and, as you will remember, in the first canto, Dante has two or three animals, and one of them is a leopard. The editor points out that a leopard was brought to Florence in Dante's time and that Dante, like any citizen of Florence, must have seen that leopard, and so he put a leopard into the first canto of the ''Inferno.'' In my story, ''Inferno, I, 32,'' I imagine that in a dream the leopard is told it has been created so Dante can see it and use it in his poem. The leopard understands that in the dream, but when he awakens, naturally, how could he understand that he exists only so a man could write a poem and use him in it? And I said that if the reason he wrote ''The Divine Comedy'' had been revealed to Dante, he could have understood it in a dream but not when he awoke. That reason would be as complex for Dante as the other one was for the leopard.
https://www.nytimes.com/books/97/08/31/reviews/borges-barili.html

ovca je barem zivjela na odredjeni nacin slobodan zivot..





hm, smart momak... zgodno si se dosjetio borgesa... u literarnom i imaginarnom habitusu meni jednog od najdražih pisaca... veliki sanjar,maštaoc i idealist, nemam što osporiti. osim da čvojek da bi objasnio sebi, ili točnije -utješio se i opravdao bivstvovanje u neznanju, ili isto prepustio režiji nadnaravnog iliti božanskog... sanja. ponekad veličanstveno... kao borges.


dok, stvarnost je... stvarnost, pa će iz perspektive ovce to i biti dobar život, čuvari i vodič su tu da misle, ovca nema što misliti, samo poslušno izvršiti zadatak i postati nečiji obrok... stoga je radilica najpoželjnija za sustav u kojem svijet funkcionira... da ne bi bilo zabune, svi su, više ili manje, radilice. prisilno ili svojevoljno pristale na nerazmišljanje, i našle se na meniju da li nekog iznad ili svojih supu/a/tnika, nebitno, ukalupljene su ionako.

istina da se na kraju sve nekako izjednači, kao što je i istina da smo u nekoj dalekoj konačnici svi jedno, dio velike cjeline, ali to je tamo negdje... sada i ovdje to su individue, pojedinci, svak sa svojom osobnošću, i u hrvanju za opstanak.
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Post by kic 14/12/2015, 16:55

opet cu spomenit oni knjigu Sapiens, ali u njoj je bas ta degradacija kvalitete zivota kroz razlicite sustave (po njemu) naglasena, lovci odnosno prije svega su to bili skupljaci, su imali svestran zivot u stvari, jeli su raznovrsno odnosno poznavali su svoj kraj, kada raste koji plod i sto izbjegavati, svatko je znao svako orudje i napraviti i koristiti, dok je to s agrikulturalnim drustvom vec otislu stepenicu nize, ljudi su se hranili manje raznovrsno i prakticki sve su podredjivali radu u polju samo kako bi mogli hoardati hranu, sto je imalo svoju prednost u sirenju ljudske rase, ali gledajuci ovako kvalitativno cijeli dan su teglili vodu i kopali, pa se postavlja pitanje nisu li postali robovi zita, a ne obrnuto.. itd je to islo

iako postoji i misljenje u modernoj znanosti da covjek uglavnom napreduje, ali pritom se ne misli na srednji sloj prije sveg, mozda je prosjecni covjek visi i jaci nego njegov prednik iz 1800te, uhranjeniji i kulturniji.. ali je i u mnogome depresivniji, vise ljudi pocini ove godine samoubojstvo nego sto ih pogine u ratu, to je pitanje koje se slabo postavlja i sa zebnjom..

ali to je u stvari vjecno pitanje, kad kazu da se u svakoj raspravi ukazuju Aristotel i Platon i svadjaju se, mislim da se zapravo to odnosi na to da jedni ljudi uvijek misle da cjelokupna stvar ide naprijed, i priznaju neke greske iliti katastrofe koje se dogode usput, ali sve u svemu ide sve naprijed, dok Platonist ce reci da je postojalo zlatno doba u povijesti, i sve poslije je dekadencija iz stupnja u stupanj dok se sve ponovno ne resetira na neki nacin..
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