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Post by Hektorović on 17/4/2019, 00:35

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/07/bulldozing-mosques-china-war-uighur-culture-xinjiang



Bulldozing mosques: the latest tactic in China’s war against Uighur culture
Rachel HarrisSun 7 Apr 2019 16.12 BST

The levelling of ancient sites in Xinjiang, alongside mass detention, is part of an attempt to destroy an entire society

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A mosque in Kashgar, Xinjiang province, China. Photograph: Kevin Frayer/Getty Images
Ten years ago, I started researching Islam among the Uighurs. I spent my summers travelling around the Xinjiang region in western China. I took long bus journeys through the desert to Kashgar, Yarkand and Kucha, slept on brick beds in family homes in remote villages, stopped off at Sufi shrines, and visited many, many mosques. My husband was working with me, and we dragged our kids along for the ride. The kids were quite small and not at all interested in our boring interviews with imams, and I bribed them with treats. I have a lot of photos of them sitting in the dust outside mosques, faces smeared with ice-cream, playing on their iPads.
It was an incredible time for mosque building in Xinjiang. After the Cultural Revolution, Uighur and Kazakh Muslims began to reconnect with their faith. They resumed the traditional practices of pilgrimage and festivals at the shrines that lie deep in the Taklamakan desert. They began to learn about Islam in the wider world; people who could afford it travelled to Mecca for the hajj, and they began to rebuild their mosques. As local communities grew richer they invested in bigger and more beautiful mosques; people crowded into them for Friday prayers, and they served as living symbols of community identity and pride.
I was reminded of all this by an image posted on Twitter last week. Shawn Zhang, who did pioneering work revealing the existence of the massive network of detention camps for Muslims in Xinjiang, posted “before and after” satellite images of Keriya mosque in the southern region of Hotan. This towering architectural monument, thought to date back to 1237 and extensively renovated in the 1980s and 1990s, was photographed on a festival day in 2016 with thousands of worshippers spilling out on to the streets. By 2018 the site where it had stood was a smooth patch of earth.

Observers have called China’s actions in Xinjiang the work of a “bulldozer state”. It is an apt way to describe the ongoing work of destruction and remodelling of the region’s landscape and its people. Mosques such as the one in Keriya were an early target of the campaign against “religious extremism”. A reporter visited the eastern region of Qumul in 2017 and learned from local officials that over 200 of the region’s 800 mosques had already been destroyed, with over 500 scheduled for demolition in 2018. Residents said that their local mosques had disappeared overnight, levelled without warning.
Mosques are not the only targets. Whole cities are being redesigned to facilitate maximum security and surveillance of the local population. Sites of architectural interest such as the ancient city of Kashgar have been demolished and rebuilt to suit the needs of what the government proclaims will be a flourishing tourism industry in Xinjiang. And it’s not just the built heritage that is being destroyed. The bulldozer is also at work on communities, culture and people’s lives. Everyday religious practice in Xinjiang has been effectively banned. People are plagued by tech surveillance technology – checkpoints, facial recognition software, mobile phone scanners – and intrusive visits to family homes identify individuals as “prone to extremism”. An official list of signs of extremism includes things such as refusing cigarettes and alcohol, not watching television and contacting people abroad.
Individuals identified in this way are sent to one of the many mass detention camps that have been constructed across the region over the past few years. The camp system is veiled in secrecy, but researchers have amassed overwhelming evidence that over a million Uighur and Kazakh Muslims have been incarcerated in them. Inmates are subjected to a gruelling regime of study and self-criticism underpinned by systematic brutality and torture.
We know about this because of countless acts of bravery by Uighurs and Kazakhs in the diaspora, who have chosen to speak out in spite of the very real fear that their loved ones will be punished for their actions. The Chinese government is pursuing a vigorous propaganda campaign to persuade the international community that the camps are benign “vocational training centres” necessary to root out extremist violence and restore stability to the region. Having seen so many of my own Uighur colleagues and friends disappear into the camps, I find this narrative insulting. Those detained include academics, pop stars, comedians and poets: individuals who – like the bulldozed mosques – are symbols of Uighur identity and pride. This creaming-off of the cultural elite – as my east European colleagues have noted – recalls the Stalinist terror of the 1930s.
We can also see this targeting of culture and identity in new restrictions on the use of Uighur language, compulsory lessons in Chinese, the promotion of interethnic marriage, and the constant mobilisation of ordinary Uighurs to demonstrate their patriotism by celebrating Chinese festivals and singing revolutionary songs. This is no targeted response to violent extremism, but a concerted campaign to hollow out a whole culture, to terrorise a whole people, and the Chinese government is using the west’s global war on terror to excuse its actions. It is deeply disappointing, then, that the loudest critiques of China’s policies in Xinjiang have come from those on the American right in pursuit of their own agendas. We need more voices from the left to speak out on this issue, placing the persecution of Xinjiang’s Muslims in the wider context of global Islamophobia.
Muslim countries, many of which are deeply indebted to China through its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), have failed to condemn or have actively supported what China is doing in Xinjiang. But the track record of western governments is not much better, as we saw with Italy’s recent backing of the BRI. Companies, institutions and national governments that pay lip service to human rights need to be held to account for their actions if they choose to engage with the products, technologies and policy initiatives that enable what is going on in Xinjiang. We owe it to the courageous people who are speaking out in the face of direct harassment by China’s security forces to keep this situation firmly on the international agenda.
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Post by mortal on 17/4/2019, 00:42

oni se ne boje
svijet i ljudska prava baš i ne doživljavaju
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Nema s Kinezima zajebancije

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Post by pismejker on 17/4/2019, 06:12

@mortal wrote:oni se ne boje
svijet i ljudska prava baš i ne doživljavaju
ajrudati Morty,pa tko bi mogao ispostovati milijardu i po ljuckih prava... lol! lol! lol!

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Post by Ringo10 on 17/4/2019, 08:01

Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
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Post by Regoč on 17/4/2019, 09:21

@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?

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Post by Ringo10 on 17/4/2019, 11:26

@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.
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Post by pismejker on 17/4/2019, 11:57

@Ringo10 wrote:
@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.
Tito mu je omogucio da se odskoluje besplatno u bransi u kojoj i dan danas radi..kao drzavni Uhljeb-struka-Udarač Pečata.. :cleanteeth

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Post by AssadNaPodmornici on 17/4/2019, 11:59

Kina :tu
Ruše đamije, crkve isto, čuvaju svoju kulturu
a ne kao Rusi i EU , niču đamije od lisabona i vladivostoka ko gljive posli kiše
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Post by epikur37 on 17/4/2019, 12:03

@Ringo10 wrote:
@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.

Regochu fali ona antina.... :D
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Post by pismejker on 17/4/2019, 12:06

@epikur37 wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:
@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.

Regochu fali ona antina.... :D
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Post by Regoč on 20/4/2019, 13:37

@Ringo10 wrote:
@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.
Kvačim se za tvoju radost zbog uništavanja vjerskih objekatah pa te podsjećam da ni tvoje božanstvo nije tako postupalo.

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Post by Regoč on 20/4/2019, 13:39

@pismejker wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:
@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.
Tito mu je omogucio da se odskoluje besplatno u bransi u kojoj i dan danas radi..kao drzavni Uhljeb-struka-Udarač Pečata.. :cleanteeth
Tito mi nije omogućil ništa, a mojoj je obitelji naniel štetu tadašnjim poreznim sustavom.

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Post by Regoč on 20/4/2019, 13:43

@epikur37 wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:
@Regoč wrote:
@Ringo10 wrote:Dotrajale, jebi ga ...
Je li tako i Tito radil pa te vesele kineski postupci?
Koliko se ja sjecam bivse drzave, Crkve i dzamije su se gradile i to poprilicno a rusile se nisu nikada. 

Doduse ne znam za onaj period odmah poslije 2. sv rata pa bih volio da mi neko da primjere srusenih bogomolja.

Mislim da su srusili onu Pavelicevu dzamiju u Zagrebu ili su je prenamijenili ne znam.

Ali su dobili velelepnu dzamiju u Zagrebu na drugoj lokaciji.

Zato ne znam koji se kurac kacis za Tita. Ne brini, zivjeli su popovi i hodze ko bubreg u loju od kraja pedesetih pa do raspada SFRJ. Uvjet je bio da se ne mijesaju u politiku sto bi trebalo i danas implementirati. Jer odkako su se ti mantijasi svih vrsta i boja razmahali i razularili - zlo i naopako.

Regochu fali ona antina.... :D
Iako kužim tvoju zajebanciju zbog spoznajne ograničenosti koja te sputava u promišljanju današnjih prioritetah, ne nedostaje mi ta država u smislu tadašnjega poretka, da budemo posve načisto.

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Post by Hektorović on 20/4/2019, 15:10

@AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Kina :tu
Ruše đamije, crkve isto, čuvaju svoju kulturu
a ne kao Rusi i EU , niču đamije od lisabona i vladivostoka ko gljive posli kiše

Isto je u Indiji, kod Arapa...

Azijske kulture ne priznaju različitosti, nego dominantna kultura čuva samu sebe od stranih utjecaja.
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Post by tre on 20/4/2019, 15:36

kinezi ruše džamije - sora na aparatima

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Post by prckov on 20/4/2019, 15:42

@tre wrote:kinezi ruše džamije - sora na aparatima
ma sori ce sigurno bit drago  :)
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